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To: John Frum
Don't cry to me or anyone else when you happen to be on that ONE flight when some dirtbag mind-bot has some sort of weapon or explosive device, and you wind up NOT making it to your destination because you felt inconvenienced in giving up a trivial bit of information like your DMV ID or whatever.

What does not providing ID have to do with keeping bombs off planes? The two are mutually exclusive and independent of each other.

of course I won't give out my SSN its totally irrelevant to proving my identity

According to whom?

Its totally ludicrous to have civilians on planes with guns.

No it isn't. In fact, folks routinely carried guns on planes before the 70s. Pilots routinely carried them until the 90s. We didn't have any hijacking events like 9/11 when the passengers and pilots were armed.

Does the phrase EXPLOSIVE DECOMPRESSION have any meaning for you?

Sure it does. There have been numerous studies on this, and the bottom line is you can put multiple bullet holes through a fuselage and not cause any major problems. Hell, there was even a plane in Hawaii that had a massive hole ripped in it (in excess of 9' in diameter), and it still landed safely. Stop watching Hollywood and study some real science.

But in a pressure vessel (which is basically what a plane's fuselage is at 30000 feet) you don't have the right to carry a gun.

Hmmmm.. last time I checked the 2nd amendment, it didn't say anything about a 'pressure vessel'.

If you feel so strongly about it, why do you go through the legal process of amending the Bill of Rights, instead of illegally usurping it. Surely if you're correct in your assertions, you can get the 70% or so support required to amend the 2nd amendment to protect "pressure vessels".

Go endanger yourself on your own time, NOT MINE

The only people endangered by Free men carrying guns are tyrants and criminals.

Anyway, since when does MY time and money that I pay for an airline ticket become "YOUR time"?

If you so desperately need to transport a weapon, check it through the cargo area where it can be rendered inert for the duration of the trip (and you can get it back after the flight's completion).

A lot of good that did on 9/11. I'm sure those passengers who owned guns sat there wishing they had brought a gun so they could have checked it in and let it sit in the cargo bay while some turd-world terrorist hijacked their plane.

The truth is that there are literally millions of Americans, including hundreds who post on this website alone, who could have and would have stopped the terrorists on 9/11 had they been flying armed.

78 posted on 08/18/2003 8:15:31 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Mulder
Those who provide valid ID have nothing to hide, thus they wouldn't be terrorists (because they'd be found out). So, if you're afraid of disclosing who you are, you are suspect and THUS might be one prone to sabotage.

So your first argument is shot down: What does not providing ID have to do with keeping bombs off planes? The two are mutually exclusive and independent of each other.

of course I won't give out my SSN its totally irrelevant to proving my identity

According to whom?

Its not according to anyone - why you think that everything has to be authorised by some SPECIFIC agency is more part of your paranoia.

Logic dictates that if you have a photo ID (as in drivers license or passport), which is original and valid - that will suffice.

Your second argument is now shot down. I could keep going on shooting down all your premises but I'm just tired, and its not worth my time. Of course you'll go through all this AGAIN as you did last time, iota by iota, itemizing all the faults here too.

85 posted on 08/19/2003 8:30:32 AM PDT by John Frum
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