[Wilhelm Tell]

Many socialists claim to be egalitarians, but they evnision a society where the ruling class enjoys every luxury while everyone else subsists on, at best, early 19th century technology. It is not about the environment at all. Every time a "green" technology (hydro, wind) is actually about to be used that would do some good, they are suddenly opposed to that, too. They hate human-kind and want everyone but themselves to live in poverty. Maybe they get a power trip (no pun intended) by trying to turn the clock back on technology and force everyone to live in primitive conditions. I remember when "progressives" thought electricity for the masses was a good thing. Today's "progressives" want to take it all away.

[E Rocc]

Many socialists claim to be egalitarians, but they evnision a society where the ruling class enjoys every luxury while everyone else subsists on, at best, early 19th century technology. It is not about the environment at all. Every time a "green" technology (hydro, wind) is actually about to be used that would do some good, they are suddenly opposed to that, too. They hate human-kind and want everyone but themselves to live in poverty. Maybe they get a power trip (no pun intended) by trying to turn the clock back on technology and force everyone to live in primitive conditions. I remember when "progressives" thought electricity for the masses was a good thing. Today's "progressives" want to take it all away.

They save the majority of their hatred for nuclear, which when done properly is just as "green" as wind and perhaps moreso than hydro (dams and all...), plus has the additional drawback of being able to service high-density requirements.

IMO it's not so much that they hate prosperity as they want control. Individuals with access to abundant energy and inexpensive private transportation are much tougher to control than individuals who depend on government for their access. Especially if they spread out...hence the hatred such people have for "sprawl". The whole point of socialism or any other authoritarian/totalitarian system is indeed said control...replacing the power of productivity with an aristocracy of pull.

-Eric

[Grampa Dave]

Both of you have nailed the Watermelon Enviralist Jihadists who want to control America.

The elite fascists visualize living like the top Nazis did before WWII. They will have incredible homes in the cities and in beautiful areas. They will be chauffered around in big luxury vehicles and have a lot of peons to do all that they wish done.

The rest of us will be gathered up to live in the Goron voting cities, stacked up about 5,000 per square block. We will have electricity if we are lucky about 1 hour a day divided into two half hour slots. We will have water rationed, clothing rationed and live on soylent green. There would be minimal medical care because the loss of thousands or millions would be good for the environment.

This is why they have practiced rural cleansing for 2 decades and hate so called urban sprawl.