Moving Out of California

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Southeast Alaska is the place to be.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Where do you live?

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Are you talking legals, or illegals?

[JoeSchem]

Normally, we in Washington State are disgusted with Californian refugees importing their liberal politics to our once conservative-trending state. Since you're a FReeper, however, you're more than welcome to come.

[ysoitanly]

Bay Area - where bums are 'homeless' and welfare is 'pubic assistance'.

[ysoitanly]

I wouldn't go to Washington state for the precise reason you state. Sorry we did that to ya.

[Rebelbase]

"Birkenstocks,"

Now, now, footgear has political preference.

Birkenstocks are the most comfortable thing i've ever put on my feet.

[Rebelbase]

oops...meant to say "no political preference"

[Rebelbase]

I waiting to see that bumper sticker on the road.

[LiteKeeper]

Are you originally from the Springs, or an import? We have lived all over: Germany, Australia, South America (Argentina, Peru, Brasil, Panama), East Coast, West Coast, MidWest. And in comparison, this is a great place to love.

I am in the Briargate area, and I work up in this area as well...may color my impressions. I also work a lot with the cadets at the Academy...that helps also.

[Conservateacher]

"What is south Idaho like...winters...?
state and local taxes....any sales tax...property tax rates.
Also thinking of leaving Kalifornia. "

I live in Washington-on the border with Idaho. The Post Falls, Sandpoint, Couer'd Alene area is growing like crazy. Read one story that actually said the area has become more conservative because of the people (Californians) moving in. California companies are also flooding in.

A friend was transferred to Boise from here and absolutely loves it. Fairly mild winters and warm to hot summers.

I don't know much about taxes but from what I hear companies are relocating there because of a pro-business tax structure. The idiots in Olympia seem to be blind to it happening.

[sweetliberty]

I'm originally from the south but I lived in Colorado for many years. The northern part of Colorado Springs is my LEAST favorite part of town, although I do have friends up there. I love the scrapbook store in Chapel Hills mall though.

[handk]

My family and I moved to Colorado Springs 3 years ago, and we love it.

Sorry to "burst your bubble", but Colorado Springs is a prime nuclear target. See "Strategic Relocation: North American Guide to Safe Places".

Here's an excerpt:

THE TOP 10 MOST DANGEROUS NUCLEAR TARGETS IN OR NEAR A METRO AREA (there are several other primary targets not listed that are not near a major metro)

1. Washington DC /and related bases (major command and control for the President)

2. Colorado Springs, CO (Cheyenne Mtn Control Center, two space command/comm bases)

3. Omaha, NE (secondary command and control bases)

4. Seattle, WA (Trident Missile Sub base and numerous Naval Bases)

5. Jacksonville FL/Kings Bay GA (Trident Missile Sub base, Major East Coast Naval Center)

6. San Diego, CA (largest west coast naval complex)

7. Norfolk, VA (major east coast naval complex)

8. Kansas City, MO (Whiteman AFB, B-2 nuclear bombers)

9. Cheyenne, WY (Warren AFB, Minute Man and Peacekeeper MX missiles)

10. Great Falls, MT (Malmstrom AFB --Minute Man missiles)

Longtime observers of the world communist movement were concerned that Gorbachev was beguiling the West using a blueprint Dimitri Manuilski gave to his students at the Lenin School of Political Warfare in Moscow in 1930. One of the students, Zack Kornfeld, later broke with the Communist Party and told the story. He reported that Manuilski, who served later as Russia's representative to the United Nations, told the class: "War to the hilt between communism and capitalism is inevitable. Today, of course, we are not strong enough to attack. Our time will come in 20 to 30 years. To win, we shall need the element of surprise. The bourgeoisie will have to be put to sleep. So we shall begin by launching the most SPECTACULAR PEACE MOVEMENT ON RECORD. There will be electrifying overtures and unheard of concessions. The capitalist countries, stupid and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate in their own destruction. They will leap at another chance to be friends. As soon as their guard is down, WE WILL SMASH THEM WITH OUR CLENCHED FIST.

[LiteKeeper]

As a retired Army officer, I am well aware of the threat. That, however, that in no way lessens my love of the area.

[LiteKeeper]

The northern part of Colorado Springs is my LEAST favorite part of town

Just curious, why do you say that?

[sweetliberty]

It is just too busy and yuppieish. I am a more rural and rustic type. Manitou Springs was ideal for me. Yes, I know there are liberals there, but believe it or not, there are actually more conservatives. It's just that people have a very live and let live philosophy.

[Regulator]

Marry me. ;)

Why certainly! :^)

But we'd all have to convert to Orthodox LDS and become polygamists, or my wife might object...but why have just one?

But seriously also, you're probably right. Fogel may be able to hold up the recall. But the Bush administration could do a rapid response from the Justice department, certifying that Monterey county is in compliance. That would check the judge, and I doubt if he would have a leg to stand on after that. So we'll see if they get with it and do a counter move to this latest little forum shopping expedition by MALDEF.

By the way...Montana is beautiful, the hills of Northern Georgia (around Rabun and Hiawasee) are just as beautiful, Southwestern Colorado is magnificent; the Willamette valley in Oregon; Hood River; Star valley of Wyoming....there's a lot of places. I have to remind myself of that when I think about the madmen who are in public office here. There's a lot of places to go in the U.S., it's just that you have to set your sights a little lower possibly on the size of the paycheck. But the smaller check might buy you more than it does in the depths of L.A. Something that people need to be reminded of.

[Hyacinth Bucket]

Don't leave us here in this hell hole!

Seriously, I do understand and feel exactly the same way. I've been wanting to leave (not just California but the planet really :)) but just don't know where to move to. I hate moving and I have parents and siblings here. Besides, the weather is just always the reason holding me back.

Best regards to you and your father and if/when you do move, please give us an update. Take care, friend :)

[Proud_texan]

Thanks for that info, maybe I'll take a closer look.

I haven't spent a lot of time there but I think the area around the Superstition Mountains is wonderful and probably unknown to a lot of folks except for those that live around there. I was amazed at how close to Phoenix it is, great place, enjoyed it a lot.

Phoenix really impresses me, I can't believe how well kept it is, both just being plain clean and, from what I see, how well they maintain the infrastucture. I assume that like any big city there are the bad parts, but they must be well hidden.

[cowgirlcutie]

I've lived in Texas all of my life and I can tell you that Texas has changed ALOT in the last 20+ years...and not for the better. The traffic in Houston is IMPOSSIBLE. We drove into Houston and were on the tollway on a Friday evening and were in bumper-to-bumper traffic. Dallas traffic is almost as bad. We drove through Austin a year ago on a Friday night and got caught in bumper-to-bumper traffic from Austin through San Marcos on I-35. Our family moved to the Tyler area 13 years ago and at that time, it was an attractive small town. Now? In the last 10 years they have deforested for big chain stores and LOTS of new housing. It's not the same town. I drive into Tyler for 30 minutes every morning to work and the traffic is horrible. My husband read that the traffic accident rate is here is the highest per capita in the state. I can understand why. In the last year, I've been hit from behind TWICE and my daughter was run of the road once. Car insurance here is high! Now, if you want to move to Texas, you might want to go to the Fort Davis area out in West Texas. Gorgeous and quiet! The way that Texas has been changing in the last years, it scares me a bit that we will be the next California.