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"Blackouts" Today, "Greenouts" Tomorrow: America Needs a Pro-Production Energy Policy
Townhall.com ^ | Aug. 15, 2003 | Amy Ridenour

Posted on 08/16/2003 12:49:14 AM PDT by FairOpinion

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How true!

We need to point this out, when Hillary is trying to blame the blackout on Bush.

1 posted on 08/16/2003 12:49:14 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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It would be foolish to expect otherwise. Hillary knows that the Clinton years are nothing but one long series of failure and feel-good poli-licking. (yes I misspelled that on purpose). And, she knows that the best defense is attack.

She needs to get people talking about the nasty Republicans before peoples start asking embarrassing questions.
2 posted on 08/16/2003 12:54:58 AM PDT by Ronin (Qui tacet consentit!)
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I was thinking of this yesterday. The scuttlebutt about nuclear energy used to be that it would be so cheap to produce that it almost wouldn't have been worth throwing meters on to measure consumption.
Now, thanks to the econazis and the greenies, nuclear power is prohibitively expensive.
Way to go, arseholes!
3 posted on 08/16/2003 12:55:13 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Ronin
"Clinton years are nothing but one long series of failure and feel-good poli-licking"

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I think they were licking a lot more than just "poli". ;)
4 posted on 08/16/2003 12:56:14 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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Even socialistic France derives 80% of their power from nuclear power plants, why can't we?

5 posted on 08/16/2003 1:03:22 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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Even socialistic France derives 80% of their power from nuclear power plants, why can't we?

6 posted on 08/16/2003 1:03:54 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: thegreatbeast
Even socialistic France derives 80% of their power from nuclear power plants, why can't we?

7 posted on 08/16/2003 1:04:16 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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Sorry for the triplicate.
8 posted on 08/16/2003 1:06:01 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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But environmentalists oppose natural gas drilling and most of the methods used to generate electricity, too.

When we fall far enough, the average person will tell the Greenies to stick it. Natural gas should be for home heating, not firing power plants. Clean coal technology and modern nuke plants can easily fix any energy problems we have. NIMBY? Well I don't want a plant right next door, but 20 miles away wouldn't bother me a bit. Here in AZ, there are endless miles of uninhabited land, plenty of states have the same. Then they will whine about high-tension towers disturbing the pristine land.

Crap. Want power? Want an economy? Build power plants. Sooner or later these idiots are going to get stomped on, I hope.

9 posted on 08/16/2003 1:20:46 AM PDT by FlyVet
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I hate population growth too. Every immigrant flushes the toilet several times daily, wants to drive, and takes up highway space during rush hour. He demands electricty, water sewage, petroleum and living space. The shear numbers of people walking out of Manhattan ought to have evey one of us re-think our population attitudes.

When I was born there were about 140M Americans, now we compete for space and energy and water with 280M. Most newcomers, mostly eager to work, nevertheless do not share my conservative political or cultural values. They vote. I now feel as though I must get my visa stamped to enter New York City because of the strange languages, cultures, politics, and attitudes which now predominate there. As my values are swept aside, I must celebrate their loss as the price of "diversity" or be labelled as a nativist.

If the increase in population came only from internal growth, I could complain without being labelled a racist - and I would complain, although for the reasons expressed in the first paragraph. But most of the population explosion is coming from immigration and those who oppose it have virtually no voice because of the bogeyman of racism.

Finally, I do not believe the environmentalists are very vociferous about immigration or population growth as the author suggests because it would offend their leftist allies.
10 posted on 08/16/2003 1:32:14 AM PDT by nathanbedford (qqua)
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Environmentalists pride themselves in not being logical. They are against population growth, in fact some of them said they would really rather if all the people died out. That of course doesn't stop the liberals for also wanting the "poor immigrants" to inundate the US.
11 posted on 08/16/2003 1:41:14 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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You would think the the Liberals who are against population growth would do the world a favor and "off" themselves -- but nooooo... it is not people they are against -- it's people unlike THEM.
12 posted on 08/16/2003 2:16:53 AM PDT by Ronin (Qui tacet consentit!)
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We do need plants BUT we also need infrastructure, new high-capacity transmission lines are needed. You can't just throw more and more power into existing lines without problems. All the power plants in the world won't do a dimes worth of good if they can't deliver the power to where it needs to go. Greenies are against power lines too.
13 posted on 08/16/2003 2:25:58 AM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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The shortage of electricity is a political problem. If the people of New York are using more electricity than the state produces, they will have to have electricity rationed to them. For example, no new houses could be built with more than a 200 ampere electrical service. Monthly kilowatt hours per household could be restricted to "X."

There are consequences to this political battle preventing the construction of power plants. If people don't want new power plants or lines constructed, they will have to live with LESS ELECTRICITY available to them.

Those states who are net IMPORTERS of electricity should be the ones living with the most restricted use of the resource.

14 posted on 08/16/2003 2:54:07 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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Good article. But the environazis are only half of the problem. The deregulation scheme (which is hardly de-regulation, but more correctly called re-regulation) is a major contributing factor in this event as well.
15 posted on 08/16/2003 3:06:23 AM PDT by meyer
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To: FairOpinion
And at the same time the econonazi's are accumulating bundles of money to buy their Senator's filibuster against getting gas from Alaska! Don't expect this story to be on the mainstream media anytime soon. They'd rather take the easy way out and quote only Hitlery.
16 posted on 08/16/2003 4:14:30 AM PDT by SouthCarolinaKit
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I read an amazing article about the latest upgrade in biomass conversion. This is dull stuff except that the newest generation technology brings the cost of converting sewage, municipal garbage, industrial and agricultural waste -- to oil down to $15@barrel. They do it by imitating and accelerating the process in the earth that by heat and pressure breaks down carbon compounds and converts any carbon based substance to oil. They say with some tweaking and economies of scale--they can do it for $8-12@barrel. According to the article, agriculture wastes alone would produce 4 billion barrels of oil annually. The US imported 4.2 billion barrels of oil in 2001. Put these biomass converters around every city in the US and then use the oil make electricity and voilla--you have a distributed power generation network.

Sound too good to be true? Read the article and look at the people and agencies in the government, business and scientific establishment who have put their names behind it.
http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/940151.asp?0sl=-42
Here's a couple more articles on the same subject
http://www.discover.com/may_03/gthere.html?article=featoil.html
http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030717/energy_garbage_1.html
http://www.mindfully.org/Air/2003/Burn-Turkey-Waste-Energy16may03.htm
This is the company website
http://www.changingworldtech.com/techfr.htm
Here's a press release from the website:
West Hempstead, NY, April 8, 2003 – Changing World Technologies, Inc. announces the first commercially successful application of thermal technology to convert organic waste into clean energy. Building on scientific research dating to the 1920s and human history extending from the Stone Age, CWT has patented, tested and deployed a technological process that has been awarded $12 million in grants from the US government and produced a joint venture with ConAgra Foods, Inc.

Utilizing low-value waste by-products such as tires, plastics, municipal sewage sludge, paper, animal and agricultural refuse as feedstocks, CWT's thermal technology provides a commercially viable solution for some of the earth’s gravest environmental challenges, including arresting global warming by reducing the use of fossil fuels, and reforming organic waste into a high-value resource. In addition, it has the potential to substantially reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil.

“If the process works as well as its creators claim, not only would most toxic waste problems become history, so would imported oil,” says Discover magazine, which features a full-length article on CWT's thermal process in the May 2003 issue.

“From the point of view of pollution and the point of view of energy production, this is a remarkable story. This technology offers all of us an opportunity someday to have a more peaceful and a freer world, a world that is not dependent on turbulence and chaos,” said R. James Woolsey, former Director of the US Central Intelligence Agency and a senior advisor to CWT.

Cornerstone Technology
Where earlier attempts at thermal conversion failed, CWT’s thermal process succeeds in breaking down long chains of organic polymers into their smallest units and reforming them into new combinations to produce clean solid, liquid and gaseous alternative fuels and specialty chemicals.

The conversion process emulates the earth’s natural geothermal activity, whereby organic material is converted into fossil fuel under conditions of extreme heat and pressure over millions of years. The cornerstone technology, called Thermal Depolymerization Process or TDP, mimics the earth’s system by using pipes and controlling temperature and pressure to reduce the bio-remediation process from millions of years to mere hours.

The process entails five steps:
(1) Pulping and slurrying the organic feed with water.
(2) Heating the slurry under pressure to the desired temperature.
(3) Flashing the slurry to a lower pressure to separate the mixture.
(4) Heating the slurry again (coking) to drive off water and produce light hydrocarbons.
(5) Separating the end products.

TDP is 85% energy efficient. The process has very low Btu requirements, due to the short residence times of materials at each stage and to the holding of water under pressure.
In addition, it generates its own energy, utilizes recycled water throughout, and uses the steam naturally created by the process to heat incoming feedstock, thereby recapturing expended energy. In addition, TDP produces no uncontrollable emissions and no secondary hazardous waste streams.

"This is not an incremental change. This is a big, new step," said Alf Andreassen, a principal of Paladin Capital Group and former Technical Advisor for Naval Warfare and Science Advisor to President George Bush. "In Europe, there are mountains of bones piling up" due to new

regulations for handling bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or mad cow disease, he says. "When recycling waste into feed stops in this country, it will change everything."

Plant Commercialization
To test and refine the technology, CWT established a Research & Development plant at the Philadelphia (Pennsylvania) Naval Yard in partnership with the Gas Research Institute, which opened in December 1999. There the company successfully applied its thermal conversion process to a range of feedstocks, including animal waste, tires, mixed plastics and paper.

“This project and the work that Changing World Technologies is doing in Philadelphia will revolutionize the way we deal with waste products on a broad commercial scale, the production of energy, and the reduction or elimination of waste by-products which enhances economic development… improving air quality, our quality of life as well as our environment,” says Denise Chamberlain, former Deputy Secretary for Air, Recycling & Radiation Protection for the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection.

"The Environmental Protection Agency doesn't even consider us waste handlers. We are permitted as manufacturers. Our process has undergone the scrutiny of an Environmental Assessment under the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) and received a Finding of No Significant Impact, or FONSI,” said Brian Appel, CWT Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. "This process changes the whole industrial equation. Waste goes from a cost to a profit."

ConAgra Foods was one of the first enterprises to express early interest in the commercial application of CWT's thermal process. A joint venture between the companies was entered into in December 2000 for the first commercial application of the technology for the conversion of poultry offal at one of ConAgra's large Butterball Turkey plants. When it is commissioned later this month, the $20 million facility in Carthage, Missouri -- funded in part by a $5 million
grant from the US Environmental Protection Agency -- will process 200 tons per day of fats, bones, feathers, grease and oils.

“If the technology is successful, it could offer enormous opportunities to address farm waste problems in the Midwest. It could be applied to all sorts of other wastes. This looks extremely positive,” said William Rice, EPA Acting Regional Administrator.

According to Howard Buffett, who represents ConAgra's investment, "We've got a lot of confidence in this… We wouldn't be doing this if we didn't anticipate success."

“This is a remarkable opportunity to use new technology to turn a troublesome liability – waste – into a valuable asset – renewable energy,” said Senator Christopher (Kit) Bond of Missouri, when construction of the Carthage plant first began.

About CWT
Mr. Appel, formerly a principal of Atlantis International and Ticket World USA, has assembled a team of high level scientists, technologists and former government officials to lead the commercialization of CWT’s thermal process and related technologies. They include Alan L. Libshutz, President & Chief Operating Officer, a former Managing Director of the energy and finance groups at Salomon Brothers, Merrill Lynch and Bear Stearns; Franklin D. Kramer, Executive Vice President, former Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs; Terry N. Adams, Ph.D., Chief Technology Officer, a specialist in heat transfer, fluid flow and combustion and a former Technical Advisor to Weyerhaeuser R&D; James H. Freiss, PE, Vice President of Engineering, an agricultural engineer who was previously Director of Environmental Affairs for ContiGroup Companies, Inc.; and William Lange, Director of Engineering, an accomplished electromechanical, mechanical, electronics circuitry, and electromagnetic design specialist.


CWT is a holding company dedicated to identifying emerging technologies that address specific energy and environmental needs, and then developing them into viable business opportunities. It is currently commercializing its patented thermal technology, which converts hydrocarbons and organic materials into clean fuels and specialty chemicals. Founded in 1997, CWT’s subsidiaries and affiliated companies include Resource Recovery Corporation, Inc.; Thermo- Depolymerization Process, LLC; and Renewable Environmental Solutions, LLC, a joint venture with ConAgra Foods, Inc. established as the exclusive vehicle to apply CWT’s processes in the global agricultural sector.

For more information, visit CWT at www.changingworldtech.com or call (516) 486-0100.

Contact:
Julie Gross Gelfand
CWT Press Office
(516) 536-7258
jgelfand@hldcreative.com
17 posted on 08/16/2003 4:41:15 AM PDT by ckilmer
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This is what believing in the false message of enviromentalists has brought us.It is time to start using what these people have done against them and if the republicans were smart they would in wholesale fashion,blame the power failure on the environmental movement.Discredit them in every way possible.
18 posted on 08/16/2003 6:49:04 AM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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This blackout will turn out to be the stake in the heart of the rats. They will NOT be able to resist calling for investigations. They will get them, alright only WE will be running them. I can see it now. In the interest of fairness Delay calls a bunch of dirty hippies up to represent the enviromentalists' side. These poor hideous creatures will not know what hit them. At the end of the hearings, the Republican controlled Congress will vote for EVERYTHING in W's energy package. We could even see drilling in ANWAR rammed up the rats' ashes. Hee hee hee.
The smartest woman in the world hildebeast has already started to try to blame W. People won't buy it and; it will be seen as more braying from the evil donkey. Lots of good times ahead.
19 posted on 08/16/2003 8:45:54 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
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Bwwwaaaaaaa! The outage is blamed on Ohio - NOT NY. Hitlery wasted her tantrum. The woman is pitiful!

What I want the media to focus on - SHE WAS IN THE SENATE WHICH WOULD NOT PASS BUSH'S ENERGY PLAN - 2 YEARS AGO!!!

Now .. whose fault is this mess - Hitlery's!!!
20 posted on 08/16/2003 11:22:29 AM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - "The Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth")
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