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It's All Your Fault Canada And US Tell Each Other
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 8-16-2003 | David Rennie

Posted on 08/15/2003 5:19:39 PM PDT by blam

It's all your fault, Canada and US tell each other

By David Rennie in Washington
(Filed: 16/08/2003)

As engineers struggled to find the cause of the power failure yesterday, Canadian and American officials exchanged mutual accusations.

Though their explanations were at times contradictory, all shared a single theme: this began in the other country.

The office of the Canadian prime minister, Jean Chretien, said the cause was a lightning strike at a plant near Niagara Falls, but on the southern, American bank.

Mr Chretien's spokesman said: "We have been informed that lightning struck a power plant in the Niagara region on the US side." Mr Chretien's aides then changed that to a fire at the plant.

However, Brian Warner at the New York Power Authority said the plant in question, the Niagara Power Project, "has at no time during this incident ceased to operate. We also have not experienced a lightning strike at that facility."

The Canadian defence minister, John McCallum, announced that a fire at a nuclear power plant in Pennsylvania was to blame.

Soon afterwards, Mr McCallum corrected himself, saying the problem might not be a fire but an "outage" at the Pennsylvania plant.

The Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency called the Canadian allegations "bizarre" and "not true". An agency spokesman said: "We have a direct line to each of our five plants and they are all running at 100 per cent."

Mr McCallum did not name the Pennsylvania plant that was supposedly out of action. His spokesman said later that Canada remained convinced "the source is an outage in a north-eastern United States power plant".

Ernie Eves, the premier of Ontario, the only Canadian province affected, denied all responsibility, saying: "We didn't create the problem . . . We can't control what happens in other jurisdictions."

South of the border, a spokesman for the governor of New York State, George Pataki, said a power transmission problem in Canada was the most likely cause.

He was joined in the accusation by the senator for New York, Hillary Clinton, who said: "Our best understanding is that whatever did happen to start these cascading outages began in Canada." However, officials at Ontario Hydro, the local Canadian utility, denied any flaws and said they would be temporarily separating their grid from the US to restore power as soon as possible.

Al Manchee, a spokesman for Hydro One, a subsidiary, said: "We're confident that the trigger for this widespread outage did not occur on our system. There was no indication that there was anything wrong in our system prior to the outage."

The mayor of New York city, Michael Bloomberg, at one point suggested that the root of the problem might be a lightning strike in Quebec.

But Quebec Hydro officials said all lights were on in the French-speaking province and offered to send some power south to the United States if asked for help.

Canadians' long-standing love-hate relationship with their neighbour has soured recently amid Canadian opposition to the war in Iraq.

President George W Bush and Mr Chretien have a cool relationship, not helped when the prime minister's press aide told a reporter the US president was a "moron".


TOPICS: Canada; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blackout; blame; canada; fault; poweroutage; us; you
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Sounds like no-one knows what happened. Morons.
1 posted on 08/15/2003 5:19:40 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
"Morons."

Smart enough to cover their @sses!
2 posted on 08/15/2003 5:25:40 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: blam
Of course SOMEONE must be at fault -- to quote my favorite saying, "Blame Must Always Be Assigned!"
3 posted on 08/15/2003 5:26:54 PM PDT by CarmelValleyite
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To: blam
One thing I do know - if the problem originated in the U.S., we'll own up. Not sure that we can be sure if it's the other way around.
4 posted on 08/15/2003 5:38:22 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: blam
Give us back our power, ya hoser!
5 posted on 08/15/2003 5:44:49 PM PDT by Lessismore
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To: blam
The South Park Movie addressed this problem:

Sheila(Kyle's mom):Times have changed, our kids are getting worse They won't obey their parents they just want to fart and curse

Mrs. Marsh: Should we blame the government?
Ms. Cartman: Or blame society?
Boys fathers: Or should we blame the images on TV?

Sheila(Kyle's mom): No,blame Canada, blame Canada
With all their beady little eyes have packed their heads so full of lies,
blame Canada, blame Canada,
we need to form a full assault its Canada's fault...

They killed Kenny, too...

6 posted on 08/15/2003 5:46:25 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Lessismore
"Give us back our power, ya hoser!"

What's a hoser.

7 posted on 08/15/2003 6:00:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Well, just about everyone on both sides of the border seems to be looking at Ohio now. Unlike the politicians, the engineers seem more concerned with fixing the problem than with assigning blame. I hope premier Eves continues to take the high road on this; faced with an election within the next eight months, he is probably under enormous pressure to deflect blame. His handling of this crisis will determine whether or not he keeps his job.
8 posted on 08/15/2003 6:00:35 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Everyone knows you can't have a successful conspiracy without a Rockefeller)
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To: Lessismore
Sooo, then it did not happen! It is all imagination of right wing constipancy. Welcome to gubermit run utilities. They should run everything, then we wouldn't have to worry about jobs, etc. (/sparcasm)
9 posted on 08/15/2003 6:02:59 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian
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"What's a hoser."

Wow. I can't believe anyone so removed from mainstream humor. I have NEVER even seen the Mackensies (I think that is correct) but even I know...

er...

ah...

ahem, what's a hoser?

10 posted on 08/15/2003 6:04:05 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)
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To: blam
Hoser is goofy beer drinkin Canuck (oops, Canadian)
11 posted on 08/15/2003 6:04:21 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian
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To: blam
According to WJR AM 760AM out of Detroit, MI. & they had a enniger with IGRID, and he stated that the events started at 1604:02 local out of Lansing MI. He cited an "event" in the grid there and then Cleveland,OH went off line a few seconds later. For data please go to www.igrid.com to see the raw data that the experts see.
12 posted on 08/15/2003 6:09:25 PM PDT by Knightsofswing (sic semper tranyis [death to tryants!!])
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To: blam
A term of disparagement. See the movie "Strange Brew" and the McKensie Brothers characters, originally SCTV.
13 posted on 08/15/2003 6:12:08 PM PDT by Lessismore
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To: anniegetyourgun
Evidently the esteemed mayor of Toronto doesn't agree with you as he expressed this comment featured on another thread on this subject:

"Have you ever seen the United States take the blame for anything?" fumed Toronto Mayor Mel Lastman

Lastman is a hot-head.

Prairie

14 posted on 08/15/2003 6:33:30 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Hillery took advantage of the blackout for broom riding practice and to scare small animals.)
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To: Knightsofswing
According to WJR AM 760AM out of Detroit, MI. & they had a enniger with IGRID, and he stated that the events started at 1604:02 local out of Lansing MI. He cited an "event" in the grid there and then Cleveland,OH went off line a few seconds later. For data please go to www.igrid.com to see the raw data that the experts see.
Other claimed "experts" are saying it was triggered by an event an hour earlier at a GM stamping plant south of Cleveland. Cleveland and Lansing were on the edges of the blackout area. It spread one way and not another?

My guess is the real cause highlights a weak point wrt terrorism and isn't being revealed until it is fixed. Not neccesarily a bad idea.

-Eric

15 posted on 08/15/2003 6:40:31 PM PDT by E Rocc
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To: blam
Sounds like Canada needs some good ole USA ass whoping.
16 posted on 08/15/2003 6:44:42 PM PDT by TBall
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To: blam
Sounds like no-one knows what happened.

I'm pretty sure by the time we get to the Sunday morning talk shows, we'll know it was the fault of the Bush tax cut, his cowboy unilateral approach to Iraq, and/or Republican racism/sexism/homophobia in general.

17 posted on 08/15/2003 6:48:57 PM PDT by workerbee
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To: blam
There are two problems, here.
One, the starting incident.
Two, the dominoe effect.
What I want to know is...
WHY the dominoe effect?
....
In addition, the people who shot off their mouths
claiming they knew what the problem was...
should either apologize (if they are elected officials)
or be fired.
18 posted on 08/15/2003 7:18:57 PM PDT by greasepaint
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To: greasepaint
I agree, it really doesn't matter what started it. We need to take a hard look at how to avoid the domino effect.

I just saw a report on CTV News that claims Quebec and Texas are less susceptible to cascading because of their grid design. These grids are not directly connected to neighbouring grids, nor are they synchronized. All power transfers are DC, not AC like the other grids, which apparently eliminates the possibility of sudden reversals in the flow of power. I think I understand why but I'll leave it to the engineers to explain it.
19 posted on 08/15/2003 8:01:35 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Everyone knows you can't have a successful conspiracy without a Rockefeller)
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To: blam
"What's a hoser."

IIRC, a hoser was a guy who siphoned gas from his buddie's ride because he was too feckless to know when to fill up or too cheap or thieving to buy his own. When I was a lad, a short length of hose in the back of your car or truck was called a 'Cariboo Credit Card'. ;^)

Not that we haven't all siphoned gas from time to time, needfully.

20 posted on 08/15/2003 8:14:54 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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