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To: exodus
I'm a libertarian, Commie Basher. I'm also a Christian. Political belief doesn't determine religious belief. Believe it or not, there are conservative Republicans who don't believe in God, and communists who do believe in God.

I'm well aware of all of the above. Even so, a disproportionately large number of librtarians are also atheists. It's partly due to the historic roots of the recent (past 30 years) libertarian movement, which was led or influenced by secular/atheistic Jews (e.g., Murray Rothbard, and the Objectivist influence of Rand, the Brandons, Piekoff), and less so by secular/atheistic Catholics (Jerome Tuccille). Karl Hess (a Protestant?) was also not much into religion.

Of course there are "Bible-believing Christian" libertarians, but they are relatively latecomers to modern libertarianism.

Our Founding Fathers were libertarian, and I don't think anyone would ever accuse them of being atheists.

Oh, you'd find disagreement on both scores. Not everyone would call them libertarians, and many of them were deists, which some contend was a cover for atheists. I've also heard Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and Tom Paine accused of atheism, although I'm not sure how accurately.

119 posted on 08/16/2003 8:23:04 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: Commie Basher
exodus - Our Founding Fathers were libertarian, and I don't think anyone would ever accuse them of being atheists.
Commie Basher - Oh, you'd find disagreement on both scores. Not everyone would call them libertarians, and many of them were deists, which some contend was a cover for atheists. I've also heard Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and Tom Paine accused of atheism, although I'm not sure how accurately.

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All I've read about deists says that even if they weren't mainstream Christians, they certainly weren't atheists. They believed in God.

Ben Franklin called himself a Christian, but he noted that he had serious problems accepting that Jesus and God were the same person. I share his skepticism on that point, but I am a Christian just the same.

My requirement for the title "libertarian" is a belief in the Rights of Men, and in the Rule of Law. Our Founders qualify.

120 posted on 08/16/2003 8:39:17 PM PDT by exodus
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To: Commie Basher
Even so, a disproportionately large number of librtarians are also atheists......


So true and usually they try and deny this. I will flat out say that legalizing poisons such as heroin, crack and meth is a Godless act. The devil loves to see people shoot up dope and become more open to his imprecations.
155 posted on 08/17/2003 5:29:50 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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