Judge blocks mandatory Colorado pledge law

Casper Star-Tribune/AP ^ | 8/15/03 | STEVEN K. PAULSON

[goldstategop]

They shouldn't be compelled to say it under coercion. But if they want to recite it on their own that's a different story.

[ladylib]

You are absolutely right and I hope that they would want to say it and proudly.

[cake_crumb]

"Yes, they have to go to school. No, they don't have to pledge allegiance to their country"

Oh I agree with you on that. It was the note thing that just struck me, because kids are required to provide written proof that they have their parents permission to do so many other things. It was more of a random thought than a part of the discussion.

[Mushinronshasan]

The State Legislature can fix the law. But judges know a heck of a lot better than the rest of us mortals.

Judges enforce what the legislature passes. If the state legislature passes laws that encroach on our freedoms guanteed by the constitution, the federal judiciary should override those laws, if the state judiciary doesn't.

[ladylib]

When George W's father kept mentioning "prayer in school" and "family values" because he thought he could garner votes, it totally turned me off, because I knew he was pandering to the religious right, who apparently were more cynical than he was (Bwhahahaha) because he didn't win a second term.

My problem is that I've either run out of patience or I'm not as happily naive as I once was.

[jwalsh07]

If you mean the robed oliarchies ruled by secular humanists are preventing the people from being subjected to theocracies such as we see in the Muslim world, I am very much in favor of the robed ones preventing the mullahs from taking power.

Theocracies? LOL

There is a segemnt of FR that has theocracy embalzoned on thie minds.

In my time here I have seen one theocrat and he was a libertarian Calvinist. Go figure.

[DPB101]

No I won't "get over it". I resent the ACLU and liberal judges destroying our representative republic.

Liberals can't get their agenda enacted into law at the voting booth so they run to the courts to rule us.

It has to stop. I'm opposed to government schools to begin with but I accept the fact that the majority of voters are not. A free society needs a certain amount of give and take. The left won't hear of that. They want to rule with an iron fist. I'm sick of it.

[FloridaBoy]

I totally agree with you. It's time for this country to turn itself around and I think it wants to and may be starting in California (of all places). It takes the will of the people and the recall process or physically put the liberal judges out. I feel one way or another something has to give.

[DPB101]

Exactly. This tears society apart--one of the goals of the ACLU and other Gramscian socialists.

People must be able to work things out in a democratic process. We saw what happened after Roe V Wade. Positions became set in stone because there was no recourse to the ballot box. The country at the time was changing on abortion. Some states were easing up, some were not. A situation which pleased no one but a situation which didn't lead the acrimony we see today on the issue.

If the people of Colorado want the pledge, let them have it. The Feds need to butt out.

[cake_crumb]

"If the people of Colorado want the pledge, let them have it. The Feds need to butt out."

Hear hear. And the girl who started it had had the option to not participate...which according to her she started taking in January.

[DPB101]

6 teachers are also plaintiffs in the suit. Isn't that nice? They are suing those who pay their salaries.

A list of all the plaintiffs is here.

[cake_crumb]

Lovely. Then again, no one would accuse the NEA of being anything but a socialist organization.

[Barry Goldwater]

Maybe if they were taught properly, they would love the country and recite the pledge of their own free will.

[Barry Goldwater]

Wouldn't it be better to pledge allegiance to the Constitution rather than the flag. America is nothing without the Constitution. The flag is an ambiguous surrogate.

[DPB101]

The constitution is just a piece of paper. Our traditions and our social mores are what determine the nature of our country. Judges are able to twist the constitution to mean whatever they want because the left has eaten away at the foundations of our civilization.

[funnygirl]

Are you suggesting that children move to Iran? Children are instructed to say the pledge before they even know what it means.

[Soliv123]

'Liberals' not loyal to this country. That does seem to be the issue. The liberals probably want the USA to be a member state of the UN with the world federal government telling us in the USA how to live. In other words, "World Wide Communism" is the liberal goal. Thus they have got to get rid of nationalism. A government funded school where you are not loyal to the government. The first thing I was taught by a communist is to deny the learning of the story of Lucifer and God in heaven. Lucifer refused to serve God in Heaven. Rather to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven. Instead I was told to read Greek Religious stories where there is no right or wrong, only petty vindictiveness. Such is the way with the Communists.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

'Liberals' not loyal to this country. That does seem to be the issue.'

Its certainly my main issue.