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To: The UnVeiled Lady; Lurking Libertarian; Catspaw; habs4ever; Robert_Paulson2; lugsoul; ...
Some thoughts: The Monument in question is not only of the Ten Commandments. On the sides are the Declaration and the Preamble to the Constitution, as well as other historical documents. Anyone have better pictures/details?

I haven't seen pictures showing the rest of the Monument or even mention of these key documents being on there from the pinko lib press, have any of you?

Contrast that with what is at the top of the US Supreme Court building: In the Center at the very peak is Moses holding the two tablets! It gets "worse" from a libs point of view. Inside the SCOTUS is another sculpture of Moses holding The Ten Commandments.

Now how can the Feds, say, with a straight face "Judge Moore, you have to take your Monument down."

Moreover, at the beginning of each day of court, a Justice says something to the effect: "God save the United States and this Honorable Court"

From http://www.moseshand.com/

Title: Justice, The Guardian of Liberty, 1935 Location: Supreme Court, 2nd St. between E. Capitol St. and Maryland Ave. NE

The pediment located on the east facade of the Supreme Court, is about 18 feet tall and 60 feet long. It emphasizes the contributions of Eastern and Mediterranean civilizations to the development of law. Moses, with the two tablets of Israelite law, is the central figure.

Inside The U.S. Supreme Court building another sculpture of Moses holding The Ten Commandments.

Moses as found in the Chambers of the House of Representatives.

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113 posted on 08/15/2003 10:45:15 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (Abortion is the Choice of Satan, a LIAR and MURDERER from the beginning.)
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To: cpforlife.org
Thanks for pinging me. As you know I do not accept the premise that America is a Christian nation. I came anyway.

But I for one do not understand this case in that many copies of the 10 c's are all over the place. Notably my own office and all over my home. Understand I don't want the marriage of religion with politics.... but what harm does it do, UNLESS this guy's version is offensive to other folk's versions of faith in God... as in "catholic, vs. protestant, vs. mormon" or something.

Do zen masters really object to not murdering, or honoring God in our own ways? I don't think so. Why the $125,000,000 in costs to fight for placing this thing? It's not the nexus of our Nation's moral problems. It does accentuate our obsession with forms and symbols over substance.

Ultimately for me, as a nation we do not obey the commandments... so why keep fighting over them as if we do, either corporately or individually. Nor should we.

We do not stone adulterors, or sabbath breakers, folks who dishonor their parents, or refuse to tithe (as a part of sabbatical law), steal or even murderors very often.

We do not practice conquest and enslavement of our enemies, as did the Old Testament "saints"... or polygamy or a whole host of Scripturally REQUIRED proceedures regarding women's monthy cycles, the killing of rebellious children or any of the ANIMAL sacrifices tied to substitution in the death penalty.

Going to Stewart Anderson's for prime rib, when johhny shoots the teacher is just not the same somehow.

So unless this display is yet another "historical" monument to the fact that mankind has always formed laws to govern itself...

I don't understand all the outrage on either side. If it is an attempt to enforce God's laws via the judge's own personal beliefs... he should be removed. I am not sure he is... and if he actually tried to stone an adulteror he would have a big problem on his hands.

If it is just a display showing the concepts that have progressed from the past til today, I see little harm.

I do see a problem with the agenda pushers at certain big TV ministries using this to extract funds from the "faithful"... as if this nations soul depended on this monolith. It doesn't. But even that is not my problem... a fool and his money, is the fools' own business.

The real truth in my thinking is: If we seek to obey God as individuals, it impacts the nation. And it does so whether we have a million monuments or none. If we refuse to obey God as individuals, it impacts the nation, and no number of holy talismans can prevent the results of our folly.

To fight so fiercely for a monolith after the blowjobs already were pardoned in the oval office, seemeth to me to be way overmuch closing the barn door, AFTER THE BARN HAS BURNED DOWN. And it was not about impeachment with me... I thought it was a waste of big money from the beginning. What burned me down was the idea that we voted him in as a leader twice.

Our national leadership is clearly not Christian and it goes beyond party lines. It's about saying NO NEW TAXES and then raising them anyway. Lying apparently does NOT matter to us. And erecting a marble monolith to the importance of truth is not nearly as meaningful as actually telling the truth.

This judge is no savior, no messiah and probably no saint. The statues we have in every state have done nothing to steel our resolve to do what is right... moving a rock in with carvings on it will make no difference but to annoy our already deeply divided house.

Having grown tired of bickering over church and state... i would be interested in how many freepers really feel that church and state can marry successfully in the light of European history. I would be interested to see how many believe we were ever a Christian Nation LEGALLY by signed constitutional laws or decree. I would like to know how many of us believe that we are a Christian Nation today vs. a Nation with Christians in it.

I think the answers to those questions would be more interesting and enlightening than a dozen more 400 post slug fests over the seperation of church and state and the "lemon" test's validity. v FWIW, a religion in state compatriot of yours had quite a few of those pictures on one thread... that were very up close and readable, posted on one of the threads.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/964192/posts?q=1&&page=101


119 posted on 08/15/2003 11:43:27 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (If we just erect a big, expensive stone monument... everything will be alright!)
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To: cpforlife.org
Yes, the district court and the court of appeals both addressed this issue. Unfortunately for Chief Judge Moore, they ruled against him in both instances.
124 posted on 08/16/2003 5:00:43 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: cpforlife.org
You very adroitly fail to mention that Mohammed is also on the frieze at the Supreme Court.
125 posted on 08/16/2003 7:13:37 AM PDT by lugsoul ($125,000,000.00! Who got it, and for what?)
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To: cpforlife.org
"it is about National Salvation, and a national code of conduct. "

No, that's not America either -- it sounds more like the brochure for the once Taliban infested Afghanistan. It's not happening in the U.S. in 2003. We're too varied, too different to follow a "national code of conduct." What about the people who don't comply?

I love the monuments you pointed out in your post, but what Judge Moore has done brings shame to our legal tradition. I see him as an opportunist for money.

126 posted on 08/16/2003 7:17:31 AM PDT by Lurkd Long Enough (Proudly lurking since 1999)
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To: cpforlife.org
Thx for the info on the ten commandments.
158 posted on 08/19/2003 8:26:01 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals
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