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Into thin air (Where on earth is Angola's missing 727? Is it now a bomb?)
The Telegraph, London via SMH ^ | August 15, 2003 | William Langley

Posted on 08/15/2003 6:55:38 AM PDT by dead

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To: Prodigal Son
Still, there is no way that you could even fit the fuel in the plane.
21 posted on 08/15/2003 8:26:35 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Prodigal Son
I was assuming crappy dirt 'roads'. The delivered price per ton of fuel is still probably a lot less than half by road. Think also about the price for building a sufficiently good paved runway for this plane to land with a full load of fuel-cargo...at EACH of these desolate, remote mining sites. How likely are these cheap-skate dodgy countries to do that?
22 posted on 08/15/2003 8:34:22 AM PDT by Paul Ross (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!-A. Hamilton)
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To: Prodigal Son; Blood of Tyrants
Most of the inside was fuel tank it seemed like.

Links? If so, then the current cover story of the Lebanese 'Business' interests doesn't wash. They could not haul any other kind of cargo, than fuel, and why would they do that to Lebanon by plane?

And what legitimate business operators, no matter how shady, want to be put squarely in the target-sight of the CIA, NSA and FBI? And risk a nice long stretch in Guantanamo?

23 posted on 08/15/2003 8:40:02 AM PDT by Paul Ross (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!-A. Hamilton)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This MUST be a typo. That is 251,000 gallons or about 1.7 MILLION lbs of fuel.

I doubt you could physically put that much fuel on a 727. 1.7 Mlbs of fuel is twice the weight of a fully fueled 747.

24 posted on 08/15/2003 8:48:51 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: dead
I saw a post a couple of months ago that the plane land in a "flag of convenience" type of country (name forgotten) for "re-registration".

For a price.

The plane was to be used as a fuel transportation tanker to isolated places. There are multiple tanks in side that were intended
to haul multiple fuels - gas, diesel, kerosene, etc.

How it ends up being used, may be a cause for concern.

25 posted on 08/15/2003 8:52:08 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Prodigal Son; Paul Ross
You both need to remember that Angola has been having a revolution for decades. You don't truck much of anything anywhere.

I have always use them as an example of US policy gone nuts. Gulf Oil owned a refinery, guarded by marxist troops (Cuban for years) to keep CIA backed terrorist from blowing it up.

26 posted on 08/15/2003 8:55:51 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
If it is in terrorist hands, they'd never even try to get it into the US. It would be shot down over the ocean.

Smacking it into a southern European city would much easier. Athens, Rome, Madrid, for example.

27 posted on 08/15/2003 9:00:26 AM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: Paul Ross
Those tanks are fairly easily removed. A half dozen mechanics could remove them in a few days, maybe less. Depending on design, they may be made to be roved in a few minutes. I used to work at a commercial jetliner overhaul facility and we put in extra tanks regularly, though they were to extend the range and not to make the plane a flying tanker.
28 posted on 08/15/2003 9:02:20 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: dead
Paris?
29 posted on 08/15/2003 9:03:00 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon; Prodigal Son; Paul Ross
Assuming there are good roads to where they are going. This is Africa after all...

You don't truck much of anything anywhere.

If you can’t truck anything, there’s no point to mining anything.

The mining story is complete hogwash.

31 posted on 08/15/2003 9:03:52 AM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
They might be stupid enough to blow up their compatriots in the war against The Great Satan.
32 posted on 08/15/2003 9:06:12 AM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: Paul Ross
Links?

No, I didn't bookmark any of them, sorry. Even this story mentions that fact though. I remember the older stories talking about the plane had huge tanks where the cargo/passengers would ordinarily have gone and like I said, this story mentions it as well. I have no stake in it one way or the other- I don't really care.

33 posted on 08/15/2003 9:26:11 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Paul Ross
I was assuming crappy dirt 'roads'.

I wouldn't count on it.

I entered Mozambique from Zimbabwe once. My intentions were to visit the city of Beira and then travel down the coast to the capital and then on back to South Africa. I was in an old VW Passat. Beira is the second largerst city. The map shows a big paved road all the way down the coast but in actual practice, Beira was effectively cut off. The city when I saw it was like something from the twilight zone. Decaying, wary, quiet. Big Russian ships washed up on the beach, everything metal rusting. The locals peering out at you from the broken windows of the huge Portugese colonial type houses.

Getting into Beira was an adventure, getting down the coast even more so. Some craters in the road were house sized and in many areas there were still mines along the road. The petrol stations were so spread out (and couldn't be counted on to have petrol in the first place) you were literally rolling the dice on whether you could make it or not. We were fairly lucky, we made it and only lost the exhaust system while skirting a massive crater in the road. Many fall prey to bribery rackets along the way- basically if they see you coming, they push a young child in front of the car and when you hit it- it's off to jail with you until you pony up a lot of cash.

I don't know the situation in Angola. All I was saying is- Africa is... Well, it's Africa. It's total chaos. Nothing can be counted upon. There might be a four lane highway running right up to the mountains in Angola or it might be a track that forces you to ford rivers (a distinct possibility) or it might be lined with bandits waiting to hijack the fuel truck. It's something to think about- that's all.

34 posted on 08/15/2003 9:46:09 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Paul Ross
Hmmmm .... thank you for your analysis and insight!
35 posted on 08/15/2003 9:59:17 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: dead
Diamonds are rather easy to move.
36 posted on 08/15/2003 10:02:00 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: Prodigal Son
How true. I spent two months in Kenya, where the main arterial roads were in decent repair, but the spurs had the potholes when paved and the fords that would be unpassable in the rainy season.

I traveled down one of these spur roads from a major city to a minor city. The potholed paved road turned into a dirt road at the far end of the smaller town, where a police station was. The dirt road, after 100 miles, would go to Somalia.

It was the only time I really felt like I was on the edge of civilization.

37 posted on 08/15/2003 10:02:48 AM PDT by Fudd
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Diamonds are rather easy to move.

After you get them out of the ground, which generally involves moving and sifting enormous amounts of earth with very heavy equipment you truck in.

You would also need some heavy equipment to build a runway that could land a 727 in the mountains.

The story sounds implausible to me. And this plane was never used as they claim it was intended.

38 posted on 08/15/2003 10:43:40 AM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: dead
After you get them out of the ground, which generally involves moving and sifting enormous amounts of earth with very heavy equipment you truck in. You would also need some heavy equipment to build a runway that could land a 727 in the mountains. The story sounds implausible to me. And this plane was never used as they claim it was intended.

Listen I have no idea why the plane was there and am no expert on Angola having only been there a few times, you may know more than I do about the place. HOWEVER moving heavy equipment to an area once is different than moving fuel all the time. You get it in once with a heavy armed guard.

I will also tell you there are few mountains in the country though much of it is high plateau. Further there are a dozen or so runways of 2,000+ meters. There are also hundreds of dirt fields and smaller paved ones that get fuel from somewhere.

39 posted on 08/15/2003 11:23:54 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: sarasota
I want to see a movie made of this--would be a great piece of publicity and perhaps could lead to the "capture" of the plane/pilot.

Wait until we find out what the ending is. Now go get the rest of us some popcorn.

-archy-/-

40 posted on 08/15/2003 3:37:09 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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