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"Raley noted that Oregon law differs from California by restricting marijuana cultivation to the patients who use it."

Oh, really? From another article I posted:

"Plaster said the problem is that the law doesn't limit the number of cardholders another person, or caregiver, can grow the plant for."

So who's right?

1 posted on 08/15/2003 6:19:16 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
I'll go ahead and get this out of the way before the bullets start flying:

What about CHEESEBURGERS?? Shouldn't they be made illegal?? Cheeseburgers kill!!!

Quick, bring up the CHEESEBURGER argument!!!!


2 posted on 08/15/2003 6:25:32 AM PDT by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: robertpaulsen
I agree fully that the "Medical Marijuana" movement is a political ploy. The folks I've seen out lobbying for it in my neighborhood look like leftovers from last night's Pfish concert.

But while that sort just want to get high, the folks who really need the door opened via "Med mari" loophole are the professional classes who don't want to risk their careers just because they like to smoke weed.

I find the stealth qualities of this movement dishonest and cowardly. A bit like how in the partial birth abortion debate alot of pro-PBAs hide behind the "healh of the mother" language, where everyone with half a brain knows that that is a loophole easily navigable by the very best of oceanliners.

BTW- I support the legalization of marijuana, but find it hard to garner respect for those lobbying for something while knowing it's a ruse.
6 posted on 08/15/2003 7:01:10 AM PDT by mr.pink
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So, you're very interested in avoiding medical marijuana.
What's it to you?
8 posted on 08/15/2003 7:10:34 AM PDT by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; Bill D. Berger; ..
WOD Ping
11 posted on 08/15/2003 7:27:35 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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many prescription drugs are based on the ingredients in heroin, cocaine and other illegal drugs, but drugs derived from those substances are controlled by doctors and have shown true medical benefits after decades of research

Big Pharma loves those high FDA hurdles---they push small competitors and nonpatentable medicines like marijuana right out of the market.

21 posted on 08/15/2003 7:42:32 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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It ought to be considered beneath the dignity of government to concern itself with common vegetation.

Unfortunately, nothing appears to be beneath the dignity of the socialist(of whatever hue) claque who now cling to office like piglets to a sow.

No one ought to consider themselves accountable to these lawyerly cannibals.
22 posted on 08/15/2003 7:45:37 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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Drug czar John Walters said Thursday that medical marijuana is being used as a political ploy to support efforts to legalize marijuana in a state where it already poses the most serious drug abuse problem for teenagers.

Somebody tell me why I should believe anything that comes out of this guy's pie-hole?

24 posted on 08/15/2003 7:47:32 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill (We're after power and we mean it..)
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Walters said about 25 percent of teens in the metro area who report drug abuse problems say they are dependent on marijuana, compared with 15 percent who report alcohol abuse.

Lie #1.

26 posted on 08/15/2003 7:48:31 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill (We're after power and we mean it..)
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But marijuana remains the single biggest abuse problem in the nation, especially for teens and young adults, Walters said.

Lie #2.

27 posted on 08/15/2003 7:49:54 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill (We're after power and we mean it..)
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Walters said about 25 percent of teens in the metro area who report drug abuse problems say they are dependent on marijuana, compared with 15 percent who report alcohol abuse.

I found this part of the article very interesting
how come 25 percent of the kids, get MJ, and only 15percent get booze
could it be booze is regulated and MJ is not

As far as the Med MJ being a scam, tell that to someone who can't keep med's down because they puke it Up

You anti- Med MJ people make me want to puke
until you have seen a loved one go through trying to keep anything down from cancer drugs,
shut the Hell up

If it works for someone with cancer or Aids, why should they be denied access to it.
31 posted on 08/15/2003 7:57:40 AM PDT by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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Gee, 4,500 people using medical marijuana. Sounds like just about everybody in the state rushed in to become addicted to pot. That is one of the problems with this isn't it, EVERYBODY will get hooked on pot?
35 posted on 08/15/2003 8:03:20 AM PDT by kegler4
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Their parents are part of a Baby Boom generation that considers marijuana a "soft" drug that poses only a minor problem compared to "hard" drugs such as heroin, cocaine or methamphetamine, he said.

But marijuana remains the single biggest abuse problem in the nation, especially for teens and young adults, Walters said.

How so? I think the drug czar is defining "abuse problem" as "someone is taking drugs," not "drugs are causing problems for people." What this jackboot is really saying is Marijuana is the most popular illegal drug, not that it actually causes any problems for anyone.

This attitude is what's wrong with the WoD, it's why these drug czar creeps think they should crack down on sick people who need relief. In other words: they see a sick person using marijuana to help themselves, and they chalk it up as just one more "abuse problem" in the nation for them to crack down on. We're not citizens, we're just potential "abuse problems" who need to be kicked around and stomped on every now and then, to keep us under control.

46 posted on 08/15/2003 8:31:52 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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I'm not entirely comfortable with the "medical marijuana" approach myself, but it is a step in the right direction.

The real issue is putting a stop to the 700,000+ arrests for marijuana charges annually, and the incarceration of citizens who have committed the "crime" of marijuana possession or trafficking. No human being should ever be subjected to PRISON RAPE for an "offense" that stems the possession or sale of a plant that grows naturally and had been for centuries (until August 1937) part of the generally accepted physicians' pharmacopiea.

The real issue is RE-LEGALIZATION - ending the 66-year old social experiment in marijuana prohibition started by one jack-booted thug named Harry Anslinger. If we have to get there using the incremental approach of "medical marijuana", so be it.

49 posted on 08/15/2003 9:14:37 AM PDT by bassmaner (Let's take back the word "liberal" from the commies!!)
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To: robertpaulsen
Drug czar John Walters said Thursday that medical marijuana is being used as a political ploy to support efforts to "RE-LEGALIZE marijuana

If this Czar had to tell the truth things might change.

A war is being waged upon citizens by an EVIL spirit of unconstitutional nature bent on controlling the minds of the populace through FALSE PROPAGANDA and DEADLY FORCE directed by a CZAR. The law has been twisted and there is no justice when an individual is imprisoned for possession of a flower from the garden of God because it may alter the thoughts in that individual in a manner deemed inappropriate by corporate pawns seeking to maintain the efficiency of their chattel.

"The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time;
the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them." --Thomas Jefferson, 1774
55 posted on 08/15/2003 9:28:02 AM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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"The greatest enemy in this area is cynicism," Walters said.

What kind of a confession is that?

89 posted on 08/16/2003 9:39:19 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (All roads lead to reality. That's why I smile.)
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