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1 posted on 08/14/2003 11:37:01 AM PDT by Maximilian
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The website link doesn't work or it is down.
71 posted on 08/14/2003 6:00:19 PM PDT by 8mmMauser
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/864141/posts

One liberal Jewish writer makes the argument that Congressman Moran may have been right:

Nevertheless, Moran is not the only one publicly exaggerating the power and influence of the Zionist lobby these days. It is my sad duty to report that this form of anti-Semitism seems to have infected one of the most prominent and respected—one might even say influential—organizations in Washington. This organization claims that "America's pro-Israel lobby"—and we all know what "pro-Israel" is a euphemism for—has tentacles at every level of government and society. On its Web site, this organization paints a lurid picture of Zionists spreading their party line and even indoctrinating children. And yes, this organization claims that the influence of the Zionist lobby is essential to explaining the pro-Israel tilt of U.S. policy in the Middle East. It asserts that the top item on the Zionist "agenda" is curbing the power of Saddam Hussein. The Web site also contains a shocking collection of Moran-type remarks from leading American politicians.

Did you know, for example, that former President Clinton once described the Zionist lobby as "stunningly effective" and "better than anyone else lobbying this town"? Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has gone even further (as is his wont), labeling the Zionists "the most effective general interest group … across the entire planet." (Gingrich added ominously that if the Zionist lobby "did not exist, we would have to invent" it.) House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt is quoted saying that if it weren't for the Zionist lobby "fighting on a daily basis," the close relationship between America and Israel "would not be." Sen. John McCain has said that this lobby "has long played an instrumental and absolutely vital role" in protecting the interests of Israel with the U.S. government. There is a string of quotes from leading Israeli politicians making the same point.

According to this Web site, the Zionist lobby is, like most political conspiracies, a set of concentric circles within circles. The two innermost circles are known as the "President's Cabinet" and the "Chairman's Council." Members allegedly "take part in special events with members of Congress in elegant Washington locations," "participate in private conference calls," and attend an annual "national summit." In the past members of these groups have met "in a private setting" with President Clinton, with Vice President Gore, and with the president of Turkey, among others. If this Web site is to be believed, these Zionist-lobby insiders have even enjoyed "a luncheon with renowned author and commentator George Will."

And who is behind this Web site? Who is spreading the anti-Semitic canard that Jews and Zionists influence American policy in the Middle East, including Iraq? It is a group calling itself the America-Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, and claiming to be "pro-Israel." They all claim that, of course. But in this case, AIPAC actually is considered to be the institutional expression of the amorphous Zionist lobby. All the foregoing quotes and assertions about the huge Zionist influence with the U.S. government and the lengths to which Zionists go to protect and expand it actually refer to AIPAC itself.

78 posted on 08/15/2003 7:25:48 AM PDT by Diago
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Here is the photo that dominates the home page of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. You can click the link and see for yourself. Notice the 2 flags behind the Capitol. Which country are we living in here, and where lie the loyalties of our leaders?

Hi again, Max. The point of my earlier reply, which I think you missed, is that your presentation of this picture, as stated above, mischaracterizes the iotent of the picture. It is clear to me and, I think, most anyone visiting the website that the intent of the picture is to enhance the story about joint US/Israeli efforts in fighting terrorism. However, your thread makes no meantion of this picture being used in conjunction with this article, and is, therefore, misleading.

In other workds, you could have said "Look at the picture from the majority leader's website that Tom Delay includes with a story about the joint US/Israeli efforts in combating terrorism!" But while this would be much more accurate, it wouldn't suppport your interpretation of the picture, and so, by omission, you chose to mislead.
81 posted on 08/17/2003 10:28:30 PM PDT by zencycler
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The USA was created by man

Israel was created by God for His chosen people.
82 posted on 08/19/2003 7:49:54 PM PDT by Coleus (MEOW, http://www.starterupsteve.com/swf/chowmein.html)
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