Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Am I wrong to think the Windows worm was an inside job?

Posted on 08/14/2003 10:01:47 AM PDT by paulat

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-42 next last
To: paulat
It was Bill Gates himself that created the hole and the worm, he secretly hates Windows and is trying to push people over to Linux.
21 posted on 08/14/2003 10:20:31 AM PDT by tonyinv
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: paulat
If a "fit-it" worm was a good deal for MSFT...why haven't they been using it all along for all updates, service packs, etc.?

Sorry...meant "fix-it"

22 posted on 08/14/2003 10:20:39 AM PDT by paulat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: tonyinv
Actually I think it may be a way for Microsoft to find out who has counterfeit copies of Windows - when you download the patch, are they checking whether you registered with them? Maybe the service packs contain code that allows Microsoft to conduct even more surrepticious surveillance on you.
23 posted on 08/14/2003 10:26:59 AM PDT by afz400
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: ChadGore
One piece of first-hand evidence. We have had the soft-ware patch on-hand for nearly a month. Our management, in their infinite wisdom, refused to spend the money before anything happened. After one department was completely shutdown they decided to install the patch.
24 posted on 08/14/2003 10:28:22 AM PDT by AIRFORCE76 ("from my cold dead fingers..")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: ChadGore
More than one quarter million infected microsoft products . . . , I would call it "lack of due diligence".

And I bet every one of those 1/4 million humans sitting behind the keyboard forwards e-mail hoaxes to everyone in their list, but refuse to download and apply a 1 MB patch file.

25 posted on 08/14/2003 10:31:37 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (When news breaks, we fix it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: paulat

26 posted on 08/14/2003 10:32:18 AM PDT by Redcloak (All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AIRFORCE76
One piece of first-hand evidence. We have had the soft-ware patch on-hand for nearly a month. Our management, in their infinite wisdom, refused to spend the money before anything happened. After one department was completely shutdown they decided to install the patch.

Umm, spend money on what?

27 posted on 08/14/2003 10:33:15 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (When news breaks, we fix it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: paulat
I don't think this is the case but if you use the follow the money theory the ones that really gain from all this are the anti-virus software companies.

But again, I don't think they had a hand in it but they do make huge bucks every time there's a new virus/trojan outbreak.

So let's see, that would mean there's a conspiracy between MS and Symantec and McAfee, et al. MS opens the holes and they sell the software to plug them.
28 posted on 08/14/2003 10:35:09 AM PDT by Proud_texan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lunatic Fringe
I have been the "help desk" for my family and every place I've worked because people DO know how to "forward" emails. However, they know NOTHING about keeeping their software up-to-date, defragging disks, firewalls, etc.
29 posted on 08/14/2003 10:36:16 AM PDT by paulat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Lunatic Fringe

Thanks for the post, mmkay? With the speculation, and the conspiracies, and the PARANOIA! Glavin...

--Professor Frink--

30 posted on 08/14/2003 10:36:43 AM PDT by nravoter (Try new "Howard Dean": from the makers of Michael Dukakis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Proud_texan
I don't think this is the case but if you use the follow the money theory the ones that really gain from all this are the anti-virus software companies.

NO KIDDING! Check this out...

31 posted on 08/14/2003 10:37:01 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (When news breaks, we fix it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Proud_texan
No...I think the anti-virus folks are collateral beneficiaries.
32 posted on 08/14/2003 10:37:47 AM PDT by paulat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: paulat
Mmmmmm... Disk defragging... So cathartic...

Patched and defragged just this week. Feelin' like a million bucks. MasterBlaster can stick it.

33 posted on 08/14/2003 10:40:24 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: SES1066
No one accuses Symantec or McAfee of being evil when they license their software on an annual basis. If anyone has a motive for releasing worms it is the security companies.
34 posted on 08/14/2003 10:41:08 AM PDT by js1138
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: =Intervention=
Actually M$ is suffering from money flow problems.

Microsoft just set a new revenue record for the past reporting period which has caused stock analysts to upgrade their predictions on the next quarter.

35 posted on 08/14/2003 10:41:41 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: paulat
Am I wrong?

Yes.

36 posted on 08/14/2003 10:42:47 AM PDT by beckett
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2Jedismom
Care to share what you think, ksen?

These guys have probably gone beyond the idea that the anti-virus companies throw out the occasional virus to make sure people continue to use their products.

37 posted on 08/14/2003 10:43:18 AM PDT by ksen (HHD;FRM)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: paulat
1) MSFT knows it put out flawed software.

Spurious charge. I've never met flawless software - the creativity and genius of idiots cannot be overestimated.

2) MSFT knows that a hostile hacker could take malicious advantage of the flaws.

Which is why, when the flaw in RPC was brought to their attention, they issued a patch July 16th to correct the flaw

3) MSFT knows that no one has been downloading the patches they've been sending out.

Anyone managing a windows machine is causing themselves problems if they refuse to get patches that MS issues to address exposed bugs.

4) MSFT sends out a relatively benign worm that does not destroy data, but gets users to update their machines. 5) MSFT deflects suspicion by putting a "Billy" message in the worm, and intimates that the real weapon will be directed at MSFT on Saturday.

I disagree, I see a worm written by someone hoping to give MS a black eye by first compromising machines that people were too lazy or ignorant to patch, and then using those compromised machines to perform a DOS attack against MS

5a) MSFT doesn't direct the worm at old versions of Windows because they don't care about them any more and provide almost no support.

Or maybe the real reason is that the service the worm exploits doesn't exist in the previous OS. It would help your case to know what you're talking about.

6) MSFT gets mildly annoyed customers to download the patches, and, probably, to pay more attention to patches in the future. 7) On Saturday, MSFT can claim that it has successfully fought off the worm. 8) Ergo, MSFT has covered its posterior. 9) Someone in Redmond will be getting a big, big raise.

This isn't show business, there is such a thing as bad publicity, and there are plenty of alternatives to MS if people care to explore and invest in them.

38 posted on 08/14/2003 10:44:03 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: paulat
It's actually pretty easy to prevent. Just close the ports that the worm attacks.
39 posted on 08/14/2003 10:44:33 AM PDT by FierceDraka ("I am not a number - I am a FREE MAN!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: paulat
then there would be no sense of urgency, no push to download patches, no need to buy new versions or subscriptions.

If the motivation were to get people to buy new versions... It would make infinite more sense to have the worm attack the Win9x users only.

If a "fit-it" worm was a good deal for MSFT...why haven't they been using it all along for all updates, service packs, etc.?

Exactly! This is why your theory is preposterous.

40 posted on 08/14/2003 12:20:22 PM PDT by Grit (Tolerance for all but the intolerant...and those who tolerate intolerance etc etc)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-42 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson