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To: savedbygrace
"Ms. Kuglin, are you aware that the U.S. government taxes individual income? Why did you claim 99 exemptions on your Form W-2? Was it to avoid having payroll taxes deducted? Certainly you understood that your income was taxable at that time?"
40 posted on 08/14/2003 7:41:00 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Did she really claim 99 exemptions?
42 posted on 08/14/2003 9:38:55 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: 1rudeboy
Not having taxes withheld is a different case than not paying them. It would have to be a separate charge. She claimed 99 exemptions in order to avoid witholding, which is a finable violation of rules, not a criminal or civil offense. We all claim however many exemptions on the W-4 needed to avoid getting a refund.
49 posted on 08/15/2003 7:19:14 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: 1rudeboy
>Ms. Kuglin, are you aware that the U.S. government taxes individual income?


hey, 1rudeboy, i want to determine my taxable income, if any, for the money i've received by living and working exclusively in the the U.S.. what exact sections of the irs Code do i use to figure my tax liability??

don't throw out the stupid answer, "the entire irs Code book", 'cause that fully exposes your DUMB ignorance.

the correct answer can be determined by answering the four questions listed below, questions the irs won't give you answers to -- answers which American citizens certainly deserve correct answers to given (1) the irs Code as written, (2) the oath of office the irs employees take, and (3) the mission statement of the irs itself.

you might as well throw our Constitution in the garbage, because the feds/irs ain't using it here on income taxes!

imagine that, a citizen wants to determine his or her tax liability, and the irs won't tell them what exact part of the law and associated regulations to look at!!

yeh, 1rudeboy, the government "taxes individual income", but the law and associated regulations truthfully show that those who "live and work exclusively in the U.S." don't have to file or pay! the law shows, and only shows, that those who are legal (or illegal) aliens, those who derive income from working outside the U.S, those who make income from foreign sources or those who work in a U.S. possession like Puerto Rico or Guam -- these people, and these people ONLY, are liable for filing and paying the "income tax"..

then, and only then, do the legal and Constitutionally written irs Codes apply and those people listed above have to "file and pay".

so what's been going on here in the U.S. for decades is the irs has been MISREPRESENTNG and MISAPPLYING the LEGAL laws that are already "on the books".

without being liable for an "income tax" (if you live and work exclusively in the U.S.), can you imagine having an extra 25% or more of income every year?? would you purchase more cars, housing, washers/dryers, clothing, books, food, entertainment, travel, etc.?? how 'bout investing some more of that extra money in the stock market so companies could expand their products and services and thus create American jobs?!!

hmm, NOT COLLECTING that ILLEGAL "income tax" from most of us sounds better and better for this country all the time!! just don't ask you local politician! they will squack loudly and warn of national disasters happening every five minutes if they can't continue to spend your "income tax" dollars. they can't breathe or live a day without collecting money from special interest groups AND spending your money!

the joke is, the fed government doesn't even need our "income tax" dollars! between motor fuel taxes, telephone taxes, electric taxes, natural gas taxes, excise taxes, the "income tax" just allow them to more totally control your pocketbook, control every small nuance of your financial life, and then spend, spend, spend their illegal heist on the goofy prgrams they spend it on.

i.e., the fed dept of Education has done a marvelous job on raising the reading and math skills of students nationwide, now haven't they?!? (cough, cough, choke) hey, maybe people are now smart enough to read hillary's book?! so, do we really need to spend hard earned "tax" dollars on an overblown, unaccountable, inept fed dept of Education??

how 'bout the three BILLION the feds sent to Haiti in the past ten years?!? has it done a marvelous job at helping the poverty of "the people" of Haiti?? and certainly not a dollar of the $3 BILLION went to the dictator and his corrupt henchmen now did it?!?

can you think of any other goofy fed spending, possibly with your "income tax" dollars??

wouldn't this country be much better off if the fed govt was much smaller in size and more accountable for the legal taxes they can "legally" collect?

if so, then have the feds follow the law as written and they will become smaller like the Founding Fathers envisioned!!!!!

learn the issues and the law as written, contact your representatives in small groups and demand answers and accountability.

what the feds/irs do with collecting the "income tax" from most Americans is more than 180 degrees in the opposite direction that our Founding Fathers dreamed of for this country.

to make "income taxes" legal for the irs to collect from American citizens who "live and work exclusively in the U.S.", a Constitutional Amendment would have to be passed.

any pol who talks the silly talk of replacing the irs with a "natinal sales tax" WITHOUT the mention of a Constitutional Amendment being required, that pol is ignorant of the law and pulling your leg and putting the Chinese wool over your head!! and that's why "national sales tax" won't happen either. same with the "flat tax" BS talk.

and through that timely procedure of creating a Constitutional Amendment, many citizens might find that the irs has been illegally collecting "income taxes" from most Americans. whoa, that might just create a big problem now wouldn't it!! so, the irs/feds just say " let's just keep things as is".

try reading the U.S. Constitution and find out for yourself.

because the deceptive and crooked treas dept lawyers made it possible to hide the truth for the past 8 decades by moving sections of law around and adding so much damn legalese, that the average citizen who tries to figure it out, can't.

virtually all irs employees are not shown the law, they are just told to "do things this way, and don't ask any questions". they somehow have confused anyone who simply asks the irs any questions of the law as written, and then considers them as "tax protesters".

don't count on h&r block to show you, they don't keep a copy of the irs code book in any of their offices!! but, they will give you the big invoice for their services after "doing things the way they are told".

try it and find out for yourself.

don't count on your elected reprentatives to show you, because they are very ignorant of the law and would rather worry about spending your "income tax" dollars and furthering their careers. they will send you a form letter if you write them and they will treat you like a "tax protester" if you simply ask for clarification of the irs Code as it's written!!

try it and find out for yourself.

don't count on most tax lawyers and tax accountants to answer the following four questions about the irs Code, answers that are necessary to determine one's taxable liability. these people are mostly very ignorant of the law itself and make a VERY good income doing your taxes. they'll just sluff the serious topic off and say, "oh, that doesn't apply to you. you shouldn't even be looking there unless you want to end up getting fined and/or sent to jail." and, anyway, why would they be interested in giving up all that income??

try it and find out for yourself.

here's the four questions that the irs CAN'T ANSWER (because you're probably talking to someone who's ignorant about the law as written) or WON'T ANSWER(same ignorance, or wants to hide the truth).

try it and find out for yourself, 1rudeboy.


1) Who should and who (if anyone) should not use the rules in 26 USC §
861(b) and the related regulations beginning at 26 CFR § 1.861-8 (in
addition to any other pertinent sections) to determine his taxable domestic income?

2) If a U.S. citizen lives and works exclusively within the 50 states, and receives all of his income from within the 50 states, do 26 USC § 861(b) and 26 CFR § 1.861-8 show such income to be taxable?

3) Should one refer to 26 CFR § 1.861-8T(d)(2) to determine whether the
“items” of income he receives (e.g. compensation, interest, rents) are
excluded for federal income tax purposes?

4) What is the purpose of the list of non-exempt income in 26 CFR §
1.861-8T(d)(2)(iii), and why is the domestic income of the average American
not on that list?

57 posted on 08/15/2003 12:59:19 PM PDT by dave66
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