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Orthodox Jewish
Dealer Is Said to Aid Scheme on Terrorist Funds
The New York Times ^
| August 14, 2003
| MICHAEL SLACKMAN
Posted on 08/14/2003 2:21:24 AM PDT by the_greatest_country_ever
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To: fightu4it
...please don't tell me they are going to sweep this one under the rug!
Well the Florida dentist and his accomplices, armed to the teeth (quasi- militarily....50 cals., rockets, full atuos and land mines) and with plans to inflict mass carnage, were given extremely soft sentences in minimum security prisons (mastermind out in 12, accomplices out in 3).
I have to expect this guy will get special treatment as well.
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posted on
08/14/2003 7:01:10 AM PDT
by
mr.pink
To: doosee
He had to know he was transacting with a Muslim........
One article claims the man is Hindu.
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posted on
08/14/2003 7:35:08 AM PDT
by
dennisw
(G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
To: mr.pink
You get all excited because this 76 year old "terrorist" is Jewish. I doubt he was told anything more than what he needed to know to transfer (launder?) money for this scheme. IOW he's a money man and not a plotter of terror.
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posted on
08/14/2003 7:40:36 AM PDT
by
dennisw
(G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
To: dennisw
The double standard you are displaying is wonderful to behold. I've never seen you extend so much benefit of the doubt to an active participant in the pursuit of inflicting mass terror on your fellow Americans before. I 100% sure you'd be equaly as charitable if this terrorist enabler/profiteer was French. ;o)
You either "with us"...or your "with the terrorists", right dennis?
I know where I am.
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posted on
08/14/2003 7:59:51 AM PDT
by
mr.pink
To: dennisw
He laundered the money and knew nothing about the plot to fire a missile at at civilian airplane.That's his story and he's probably telling the truth. Why would the other guys want to tell him what the money was really for?
Still, he committed crimes that helped terrorists. If you drive drunk and accidentally kill someone, you end up with a bigger punishment than if you drive drunk and get pulled over by a cop for swerving in your lane. Lock him and make an example of him. Money launderers should especially not be helping Arabs or Muslims.
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posted on
08/14/2003 8:06:51 AM PDT
by
xm177e2
(Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
To: mr.pink
Your comments are a hoot. Some 76 year old Jewish diamond merchant hardly fits the terrorist profile. He is a money man who got in over his head and knows nothing about any missile. That's my reasonable read of the situation.
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posted on
08/14/2003 8:49:35 AM PDT
by
dennisw
(G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
To: xm177e2
Why would the other guys want to tell him what the money was really for? ..........
Terrorism and plotting is done on a need to know basis. Unless they are totally dumb and are loud mouths.
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posted on
08/14/2003 8:51:36 AM PDT
by
dennisw
(G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
To: dennisw
Geez dennis, now being 76 is an excuse? You should import a midi of nice violin music into your post...it would really help set a sympathetic tone and help sell your sob story of a feeble old man getting snookered.
Again, your double standards are showing and I'm enjoying (but not the least surprised) that you're exposing of yourself as intellectually inconsistent.
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posted on
08/14/2003 8:56:16 AM PDT
by
mr.pink
To: dennisw
Some 76 year old Jewish diamond merchant hardly fits the terrorist profile.
A florida dentist didn't really fit the terrorist profile, nor did Tim McViegh....but that they were none the less.
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posted on
08/14/2003 8:57:53 AM PDT
by
mr.pink
To: dennisw
Maybe he belongs to this gang of freaks?
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posted on
08/14/2003 9:10:01 AM PDT
by
Alouette
(Every democratic politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
This government sting stinks.
We have an implausible scenario, a snitch up on federal drug charges (aka government key witness), the KGB supplying the FBI with a dummy missile, and an Orthodox Jew as the money man.
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posted on
08/14/2003 9:31:47 AM PDT
by
tubavil
To: tubavil
Not just that, an Orthodox Jew who allagedly participates in the secretive hawala system, which is widely in the Middle East - by Muslims!
The story just broke, and not a whole lot of information has been released yet. I hope they caught some real terrorists, but I'm awful skeptical of "sting" operations, especially ones involving foreign intelligence services that are only a modicum of friendly to us.
TO those who say it's a double standard to automatically accept that a Muslim is a terrorist but a Jew is not, well, it's not if you consider statistical probability. There are daily Islamic terrorist attacks around the world, but when's the last time you heard of a Jewish suicide bomber, or Jews trying to shoot down commercial aircraft with missiles? It's definately atypical behavior, and therefore I belive worthy of some skepticism.
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posted on
08/14/2003 9:44:20 AM PDT
by
adam_az
To: adam_az
...but when's the last time you heard of a Jewish suicide bomber, or Jews trying to shoot down commercial aircraft with missiles?
Well, it was only about three months ago when the florida dentist and his accomplices were prevented from a perpetrating massive quasi-military attack terrorist attack on Americans.
Is it "atypical behaviour"?...why yes....but it's certainly not unheard of.
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posted on
08/14/2003 9:52:02 AM PDT
by
mr.pink
To: adam_az
Not just that, an Orthodox Jew who allagedly participates in the secretive hawala system OK, I'll bite. I've heard of pulsa denira and there is nothing secretive about havdalah but what in the heck is hawala?????
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posted on
08/14/2003 9:58:37 AM PDT
by
Alouette
(Every democratic politician should live next door to a pimp, so he can have someone to look up to.)
To: mr.pink
Well, it was only about three months ago when the florida dentist and his accomplices were prevented from a perpetrating massive quasi-military attack terrorist attack on Americans
The target was an islamic center, Americans in only the most peripheral sense.
His effort was in direct response to the islamic terror called 9-11.
islamic centers here teach hatred death and destruction of Jews, Christians, and anyone non-muslim.
Their funding comes primarily from saudi arabia, just like the 9-11 terrorists.
It's a very short program.
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posted on
08/14/2003 10:34:35 AM PDT
by
tubavil
To: the_greatest_country_ever
I don't know this individual but I have some familiarity with the gem business. A lot of gems - diamonds, rubies,sapphires, etc. are bought for cash. It is a business where the dealers avoid reporting gains for tax purposes by dealing in cash. I am not condoning that activity, merely reporting it.
Because it is not easy to make bank deposits of cash in this country, the sellers of gems who receive cash give the cash to people like Mr. Abraham who pass it on to others for deposit abroad. They take a commission of 5% for arranging the transfer. It is a daily part of the gem business. It is not legal because of the avoidance of reporting to the IRS, but occurs all the time.
Not knowing the circumstances, I would guess that Mr. Abraham, who probably arranges the cash transfers frequently for gem dealers, did not know the purpose of the money.
That is my take on the situation.
To: dennisw
The
money man should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. If he can provide information and testimony on other illegal monetary transactions perhaps he can
earn a deal.
Interesting quote from a Saudi prince: "He who protects or sympathizes with a terrorist is himself a terrorist and will receive his just punishment," Abdullah bin Abdulaziz told a gathering of security officials and citizens.
To: the_greatest_country_ever; dennisw
Consider the following...this was going to be an undercover operation using Lakhani to penetrate terror orgs.....
One report says the BBC reported on the case thereby nullifying Lakhani's usefulness as an informant and the Feds were forced to bring down indictments.
A partial success but not what the Feds were after; an arms dealer strongarmed by the Feds into reporting on future arms for terror transactions.
To: the_greatest_country_ever
Stone him.
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posted on
08/14/2003 11:02:52 AM PDT
by
rmlew
("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
To: Alouette
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posted on
08/14/2003 11:17:22 AM PDT
by
adam_az
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