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To: DittoJed2
The specific "this is a man" element is missing from his make up.

Huh? What is a "man" element?
The difference between humans and apes (and as well as other mammals) is a difference in degree and not in kind. I'm sure every geneticist you'll ask will confirm this.

Species, being a man-made classification.

Yes, that's what I'm saying all the time. And there are even several species concepts depending on the situation

No matter what variation in human population you see, a pigmy is still as much of a man as a North American scientist. You are not going to get the kind of change you are reaching for.

That's true, we are still pretty similar but you don't know that this can't happen if you keep the pigmies isolated long enough. Of course, since a human life span is pretty long this can take quite some time (my layman estimate would be some hundred thousands of years).

According to the hypothesis which said that they shared reproductive capability before.

Which hypothesis? I think even you will agree that the members of a population should be able to interbreed with each other. I mean these two groups were part of one population in the past.

How long is 'long enough'?

Well, this can be thousands of years or even a few million. It depends a lot on the duration of a reproductive cycle as well as on the environmental stress on that particular population.

Assuming they were genetically fit to reproduce with the comparison species to begin with.

Not sure what you're meaning here.

2,027 posted on 08/21/2003 6:51:18 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: BMCDA
The specific "this is a man" element is missing from his make up.

Huh? What is a "man" element?

It is that part of a human being which makes him man. It is the part within man, be it genetic or some other unknown force (which I understand is a bit debated even after finding the human genome) that says from conception - this is going to be a human being. People today may produce hairy human beings but not apes. There is something within us that creates after our own kind. Science probably doesn't even understand "what", but that something gives us reasoning capability, speech, a conscience, and makes us uniquely human - setting us apart from the rest of God's creatures

. The difference between humans and apes (and as well as other mammals) is a difference in degree and not in kind.
Do you realize the implications of what you just said? I sure hope you are not pro-life. I sure hope that you make no moral judgments about anything anyone does, because with that kind of reasoning you have no leg to stand on. If we are no different than animals then what's wrong with killing us? How can ANY evolutionist say anything is wrong. By majority opinion? Well that's a beautiful world to live in.

I'm sure every geneticist you'll ask will confirm this.
Not those who accept God's authority and the Bible which says we are created in God's image and therefore are of much more value than animals.

No matter what variation in human population you see, a pigmy is still as much of a man as a North American scientist. You are not going to get the kind of change you are reaching for.

That's true, we are still pretty similar but you don't know that this can't happen if you keep the pigmies isolated long enough. Of course, since a human life span is pretty long this can take quite some time (my layman estimate would be some hundred thousands of years).

And you don't know that it could.

According to the hypothesis which said that they shared reproductive capability before.

Which hypothesis? I think even you will agree that the members of a population should be able to interbreed with each other. I mean these two groups were part of one population in the past.

The hypothesis that said two similar animals in different parts of the world were at one point, millions of years ago perhaps, part of the same species and were able to interbreed.

How long is 'long enough'?

Well, this can be thousands of years or even a few million. It depends a lot on the duration of a reproductive cycle as well as on the environmental stress on that particular population.

And that is a total guess. It's not happening today.

Assuming they were genetically fit to reproduce with the comparison species to begin with.
Not sure what you're meaning here.

An ape does not have the genetics to reproduce with a human. But one type of dog does have the genetics to reproduce with a totally different kind of dog.
2,060 posted on 08/21/2003 9:16:01 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: BMCDA
Of these species concepts, I like Recognition Species Concept the best. However, I have recognized that evolutionists have different concepts so that is why I have emphasized the ability to procreate.
2,063 posted on 08/21/2003 9:27:46 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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