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To: DittoJed2
Cause most certainly is necessary.
Except for the Judeo-Christian God.

You do not observe things that just were.
Except for the Judeo-Christian God.

Things have beginning.
Except for the Judeo-Christian God.

... Which caused infinately complex creatures such as man with infinately complex parts such as eyeballs.

I'd have written off your misspelling as a typo had you not done it twice... In one sentence. Is it possible to have an "infinitely complex" part of a larger "infinitely complex" organism? I'm sure Star Trek tackled this conundrum at at some point, but I can't seem to wrap my brain around it right now. And btw, your claim that man and/or his eyeballs are somehow "infinitely complex" means absolutely nothing if you don't define how or why something is, "infinitely complex."

Nobody observed the big bang. Nobody has observed macroevolution.

Or the murder of Niclole Brown Simpson. So?

You don't have a plant turning into an animal or a horse turning into a kitty cat.

You are correct. Congratulations. Horses have never "turned into" a kitty cat. Perhaps Sigfried or Roy would beg to differ, but I won't.

the best science can come up with are a handful of disputed examples of transitional species.

Disputed by whom? A fractionally tiny band of American christian bible literalists? Trust me, you are not on their radar. A "handful?" You must have the palm capacity of a small city.

You only have what Creationists acknowledge- microevolution (variation within species or kind) not macroevolution (huge change of kind to kind).

Please define "kind." If you save lots of pennies, they add up to dollars and those dollars add up to hundreds of dollars. Think about it and good night.
1,134 posted on 08/18/2003 7:36:56 PM PDT by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
If you save lots of pennies, they add up to dollars and those dollars add up to hundreds of dollars. Think about it and good night.

Nice play on words but you still have lots of pennies and no dollar bills.

1,141 posted on 08/18/2003 7:47:19 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: whattajoke
Cause most certainly is necessary. Except for the Judeo-Christian God.

You do not observe things that just were. Except for the Judeo-Christian God.

Things have beginning. Except for the Judeo-Christian God.

His eternal pre-existence is accepted by faith. I have never stated differently. I am willing to admit a final decision based on faith. Evolutionists believe that which they have never observed by faith as well, faith in the theory. But they won't admit so. Instead, they postulate theory after theory to try to explain away God. Whatever, guys. Whatever.

... Which caused infinately complex creatures such as man with infinately complex parts such as eyeballs.

I'd have written off your misspelling as a typo had you not done it twice... In one sentence. Is it possible to have an "infinitely complex" part of a larger "infinitely complex" organism? I'm sure Star Trek tackled this conundrum at at some point, but I can't seem to wrap my brain around it right now. And btw, your claim that man and/or his eyeballs are somehow "infinitely complex" means absolutely nothing if you don't define how or why something is, "infinitely complex."


Got me on the spelling. What I mean by INFINITE complexity, is that scientists are forever finding out that things are even more complex than they had observed. They are also irreducibly complex, which Michael Behe deals with extensively in Darwin's Black Box.

Nobody observed the big bang. Nobody has observed macroevolution.

Or the murder of Niclole Brown Simpson. So?

So, it is a hypothesis.

the best science can come up with are a handful of disputed examples of transitional species.

Disputed by whom? A fractionally tiny band of American christian bible literalists? Trust me, you are not on their radar. A "handful?" You must have the palm capacity of a small city.


By scientists. You have transitions WITHIN species, but not jumps to totally different KINDs (which I defined much earlier on this thread).

You only have what Creationists acknowledge- microevolution (variation within species or kind) not macroevolution (huge change of kind to kind).

Please define "kind." If you save lots of pennies, they add up to dollars and those dollars add up to hundreds of dollars. Think about it and good night.

The thing is, you don't save a lot of pennies with what is observed. You LOSE information, not GAIN information in DNA mutation. An ape would have to GAIN information it doesn't have to know what to do to become a human being. Instead, whenever we see DNA change, it is because information has been lost. You may have a genetic variation that allows a species to adapt to environment, but you don't have a variation that allows that species to jump into a different KIND of creature altogether (i.e., you see variations amongst species of cats but you do not see an ape suddenly getting added information to let it turn into a human.) Your bank is bankrupt.
1,145 posted on 08/18/2003 7:57:13 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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