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Just one more article that will be another nail in GWB’s coffin in 2004. As a hardcore conservative and IT professional, I’m not too happy and somewhat reluctant to pull the level for GWB, and I’m not alone.

And you think that Bush is to blame for this? What makes you think that any of the Dems will keep this from becoming your next job?

ie. Although the business case is good, very few businesses will survive the outcome. Being a hooker has long term consequences.

CIOs who make ill-informed decisions will be unable to find or develop qualified talent when they need it.

We're going to have a whole country with no engineers at this rate. I can't imagine this, and yet I see it happening.

I want to tell kids to go into engineering. Nothing spells "the future" like engineering. But right now, any kid who takes my advice will probably go into debt earning a degree in a field in which there will be no jobs. Furthermore, he'll face hardships paying off that debt while waiting tables at Pizza Hut.

Getting a degree in Engineering is heading toward being like getting a degree in History. All you can do with it is teach it somewhere.

You're right. This is going to be a big issue by November 2004. Right now, Bush looks blindsided. He doesn't appear to see it at all.

You know what else CIO's are forgetting, that their employees are legally able to take their knowledge and compete against their former employers, and since they lack the overhead of the inept management that let them go, they can compete better and can put the old company out of business. We have those beautiful right to work laws here in the United States which means in a lot of states that even non compete agreements are worthless. Here in Colorado there was a guy who worked for HP, went to Xerox, HP sued and the judge threw HP out of court after making them pay for court fees, attorney fees, etc.

"...CIOs will need a cadre of seasoned IT professionals and eager recruits to "turbocharge" new ideas..."

Im too familiar with what this means. This is where "old" white guys are contracted to teach the young female minorities who were hired what they should have learned in school.

I saw the IT trainwreck coming and jumped. I wonder how many will ride it all the way and then complain.

A dark thought. What if the CIO is here on a visa or a Greencard? Possible conflict of interest, eh? It would be intersting if, for example, the US Attorney's office, or for that matter even the CIA or DIA were to audit the firms with the 10 largest volumes of outsourcing as follows:

1. List the nationality of your CIO and other executives involved in outsourcing decisions.

2. Supply us with a copy of your procedure for doing background checks of non US Citizens whom you employ.

3. Do background checks include?:

a. Property held in foreign countries, shares held in foreign companies and other assets and financial interests outside of the USA?

b. Past and current standing vis a vis foreign military and intelligence organizatons?

c. History of any anti American activities, membership in anti American political groups, and other activities which have threatened or continue to threaten US security?

That's about as far as I'll go here... they'll have to pay me for anything more...

Just one more article that will be another nail in GWB’s coffin in 2004. As a hardcore conservative and IT professional, I’m not too happy and somewhat reluctant to pull the level for GWB, and I’m not alone.

No, you're not. I sent a letter to the White House, the RNC, and several prominent Republican congressmen and state reps about a month ago explaining that I will not vote for ANY politician from here on out unless they begin opposing the offshoring of American jobs. And I meant it!

The American middle class is at war, a war to preserve our lifestyles, our economic stability, and to protect our families from financial ruin brought about by third-world nations using their fledgeling economies and valueless currencies to undercut our wages. Politicians are supposed to SERVE us and represent OUR interests in government...not the interests of some foreign lobbiest looking to put 100,000 Americans out of work. Until politicians recognize thier responsibilities and begin voting accordingly, I refuse to give them my vote.

We are being sold out,and GWB is doing nothing,just as he is doing nothing on immigration.

When I mentioned on an earlier post that I was disallusioned with him,I really got flamed by some posters but,surprisingly,I also had a lot that agreed with me.

Who I'll vote for I don't know,but it won't be a Democrat.A lot can happen in a year.

George W Bush has nothing to do with this. It was Clinton that allowed this.

Though one thing should be made clear these companies should not try and program seperately from upper management. I think management should go where the programming is being done. Otherwise you are spending more for rewrites and modifications thus losing the economies of scale.

One last thing I wonder if there is national security involved here. No programming contract should be given to those that out source which might infring on american citizens! Where is this test data coming from??????????? Could you imagine a code line that would scrape off a a few dollars here and there to a specified account. Trusting pgm is more important that paying them.

Okay, today, perhaps -- and as likely at this time after the events, the massive outage is a perfect deomstration of what is known as technological ATROPHY. Inablity to maintain vital systems because the knowledgable people are dead or senile and the vital knowldege base has not been kept in current training, almost no one wants to learn how to be an atomic scientist any more, for example.

The grid control systems are like that too -- as I am almost sure reports will show. The latest generation may actually be a step backwards in sophistication of function.

Diversity and politcal correctness has a real cost. And the mindless and short-term benefit to near quarter profit of offshore outsourcing has a hefty long-term DANGER.

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The increasing frequency of threads like this show that there are too many people in IT and that there must be a long shakeout before the pain subsides.

We will all need to retire or get other professions.

Get over it. There will be no political upheaval, we are in the minority and due to our nature we will not unionize to increase our clout.

BUMP

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Let me, if I may, give a short testimonial of my life w/ H1B since, say, 9/11.

I was working at a local university near Myrtle Beach, S.C., at a steady network tech. gig. My wife was finishing her undergrad in Biology and Chemistry. When I was told my contract wouldn't be renewed because of state budget problems I wasn't very upset...Wife was headed go grad school somewhere either in California or Florida, so...onward and upward, right?

We settled on FIT on Florida's Space Coast. Per my research, I found that there's *lots* of tech here, w/ the space program, and other government contractors.

We moved on Apr. 30, 2002. After faxing nearly 1200 resumes' out and only getting 3 interviews over the course of one year(!), I fell into a deep depression. At the moment, I am delivering pizza for tips alone and I'm working minimum wage during the day. I spent last Spring and this Summer in classes at a local community college, and I'm 4.0 for the first time in my life. I am *NOT* majoring in IT, but I'm looking for a Ph.D in Law History or the like. The worst part is that classes start tomorrow, and while I can go for free, I cannot afford the hundreds of dollars for books. I will likely sit this semester out.

That's been the only thing to help my depression, and I've even been suicidal several times. Us men identify heavily with our work, and when we're found to be worthless time and time again, it bothers us. Per research I've done with H1B, it's quite likely that several of my potiential jobs have been shipped to India.

So now we're going through a bankruptcy, living off student loans and still looking for work.

I feel so bad in the a.m. that all I want to do is pull the covers over my head and pretend that this is a nightmare. I had a career, I happen to be a very bright, skilled, and motivated technician. Wife and I are solid conservatives with a great work-ethic, yet we're living off apples and our future is on pause.

From where I sit, the terrorists have clearly won. Those flying airliners into buildings, and those shipping our jobs overseas while protecting the scum with our tax money.

Gotta go, the pizza parlor calls.

(before you begin to lecture this conservative on the merits of giving our jobs away so one-sidedly, put yourself in my position)

Take care, and pray for us.