Just one more article that will be another nail in GWBs coffin in 2004. As a hardcore conservative and IT professional, Im not too happy and somewhat reluctant to pull the level for GWB, and Im not alone.
1 posted on
08/13/2003 8:20:38 PM PDT by
thimios
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To: thimios
Good you deserve Dean.
2 posted on
08/13/2003 8:24:40 PM PDT by
BushCountry
(To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
To: thimios
HAve these people stopped to consider that, after a point, every job 'outsourced' to another country is one less consumer to purchase their products? What are they going to do when no one is left to buy their goods?
3 posted on
08/13/2003 8:29:21 PM PDT by
jimkress
(Go away Pat Go away!)
To: thimios
If the government was serious about stopping the loss of jobs, it would stop companies from implementing Enterprise Resource Planning, Supply Chain Management, Business Process Management and Customer Relationship Management software, no matter where it was written. Enterprise software makes companies more efficient and allows them to eliminate jobs. For instance, some companies produce software that allows companies to automatically process travel and entertainment expenses. The number of people required in HR and Accounting will be much less. Yet these people need jobs too. Where are they going to work now, with all these companies installing automated software? Other companies are installing software that will allow them to closely track the efficiency of their salesforce, and will allow them to target their salesforce. This will result in them hiring fewer sales people. Companies can now bar code all their inventory parts, and with a barcode scanner reduce the number of people taking inventory. Finally, the Plumtree portal will allow companies to severely reduce their paperwork, which will result in fewer document clerks. Don't these companies realize that becoming more efficient and profitable, they're actually keeping less people employed, and that these now unemployed people can't possibly buy stuff and contribute to the economy? Why are these companies so damned selfish?
5 posted on
08/13/2003 8:37:10 PM PDT by
Koblenz
(There's usually a free market solution)
To: thimios
I'm missing how a bunch of firms in San Francisco deciding to hire people from other countries because they work for lower wages is any US President's fault. There are a large number of variables at work here that are beyond our national government's ability to control.
If you value The Bill of Rights as anything other than a scrap of toilet paper, you don't want the US government to control who this company hires and fires. I've been layed off work and told to hit the f------ turnpike through no fault of my own before. It's not a joy-ride.
Letting it force you to seek a government solution is how government takes away your liberties. Believe me, the North Korean Government could tell Cisco exactly where it's workers would come from. You just don't want to live there.
9 posted on
08/13/2003 8:48:09 PM PDT by
.cnI redruM
("Magna cum laude, summa cum laude, the radio's too laude." - Johnny Dangerously)
To: thimios
Offshoring IT could pose a security threat to companies. There's less control over the data so it is easier to steal.
This will come home to roost, probably a bigger impact than Enron.
14 posted on
08/13/2003 8:57:41 PM PDT by
Barry Goldwater
(Give often and generously to the Bush campaign)
To: thimios
Dean loving Luddite.
20 posted on
08/13/2003 9:27:54 PM PDT by
Those_Crazy_Liberals
(Ronaldus Magnus he's our man . . . If he can't do it, no one can.)
To: thimios
It's the "prisoner's dilemma." Companies know that offshoring will dry up IT talent, but they do it anyway because they know their competition is doing it.
21 posted on
08/13/2003 9:37:20 PM PDT by
dfwgator
To: thimios
Just one more article that will be another nail in GWBs coffin in 2004. As a hardcore conservative and IT professional, Im not too happy and somewhat reluctant to pull the level for GWB, and Im not alone. Agree. I am also getting sick of this bs. I like GWB but I've also got to think about me and my fellow Americans. He is losing my confidence. The only guy running for President that is saying we've got to do away with NAFTA and GATT is the congressman from OHIO. I cannot think of the guy's name but I wouldn't hesitate to vote for the guy because HE GETS IT.
Enough is enough. I've had enough.
24 posted on
08/13/2003 9:40:46 PM PDT by
boycott
To: thimios
A website is in order.
A descending sort on the number of jobs outsourced.
Top talent will know who to avoid working for and who not to patronize. MS and IBM top the list.
30 posted on
08/13/2003 9:57:47 PM PDT by
tubavil
To: thimios
No use complaining about globalization.
This article points out good news. Hang in there, keep up to date, and when they need you again you can score a killing.
32 posted on
08/13/2003 10:00:01 PM PDT by
a_Turk
(Lookout, lookout, the candy man..)
To: thimios
Bump for later!
To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Cacophonous; Poohbah; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; ...
Moreover, at a time when IS organizations are struggling with poor credibility and IT is being scrutinized, offshore outsourcing is becoming a tool for improving service delivery and a source of highly qualified talent in greater numbers. Free trade benefits?
86 posted on
08/14/2003 4:52:59 AM PDT by
A. Pole
To: thimios
Offshore outsourcing weakens the already-fragile relationships between employees and employers...Perhaps the understatement of the year.
88 posted on
08/14/2003 5:05:20 AM PDT by
gcraig
To: thimios
Being a CFO, I know the pressures for attaining short-term bottom line results. But, the true value of an enterprise is not the short term, but rather longterm. It is also important to consider the impact of seemingly financial only decisions on the community in which you live.
The debacles of Enron & Global Crossing, et al, were more a failure of ethics (business & personal) than poor financial management.
To: thimios
WE USED TO HAVE DUMPING LAWS to stop companies from producing things cheaply and dumping them on our market to deflate prices and cost jobs. Now dumping happens by throwing us workers out of work at the outset in favor of lower production costs overseas so that american companies can dump and reap the difference as profit. No price change, the dumping is in profit now.
93 posted on
08/14/2003 5:16:15 AM PDT by
Havoc
(If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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ping
on or off let me know
96 posted on
08/14/2003 5:23:57 AM PDT by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: thimios
Only Hillary can save W. She will. Tha, & only that, will compell us to vote.
100 posted on
08/14/2003 5:31:19 AM PDT by
GatekeeperBookman
("impossible and radically idealist notions" * pending approval from Chancellor Palpetine, owner.)
To: thimios
Just one more article that will be another nail in GWBs coffin in 2004. As a hardcore conservative and IT professional, Im not too happy and somewhat reluctant to pull the level for GWB, and Im not alone.
I am reluctantly agreeing with you.
To: thimios
I don't like these goings on either. But I respectively disagree that Bush or any president has the ability to stop it. What would you propose the President to do?
131 posted on
08/14/2003 6:35:10 AM PDT by
Paulie
To: thimios; Willie Green; harpseal
bump for later read
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