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America's Most Important Battleground: Christian vs. Secular Education
Chalcedon Report ^ | August 2003 | Tom Rose

Posted on 08/13/2003 3:04:46 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS

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To: Cathryn Crawford
How many high school (grades 9-12) students are being homeschooled?

An estimated 250,000 to 340,000 high school (grades 9-12) students were being homeschooled during the 2000-2001 conventional school year.

Do these numbers sound right to you?

21 posted on 08/13/2003 5:42:10 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (All roads lead to reality. That's why I smile.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
Do these numbers sound right to you?

You know, I thought the number would be more than that, but this is just high school. Both my little brothers are homeschooled currently, but that is elementary school.

I was homeschooled from 1989 - 1998. That included only one year of high school, though. The other two years were in private school, but I used the same curriculum there that I used in homeschool.

I don't know what the stats were at that time. I'm sure that my mother would, though.

22 posted on 08/13/2003 5:49:24 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Traficant is a real conservative who will stomp out the socialist rats but good!)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
"Doesn't your school hold to the view that man is the result of organic evolution, instead of being created in the image and likeness of God? As long as your institution holds to an anti-Biblical view of man," I explained, "you will eventually run afoul of the bureaucratic structure here if you attempt to consistently teach the Biblical view of man that I spoke about today."

This is where the fun starts. How about,

"Doesn't your school hold to the view that man is the result of organic evolution, the process initiated by God to create man in the image and likeness of God? "

23 posted on 08/13/2003 6:31:56 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Scenic Sounds; Cathryn Crawford; f.Christian
Education Policy Analysis Archives - A peer-reviewed scholarly electronic journal publishing education policy analysis since 1993.

To achieve the goals stated @Free Republic will require a complete overhaul of government schools &/or a rapid rise in the homeschooling rate. F.R. can't remediate the masses who have been marinated for 12-20yrs in the dogma of Darwin, Marx, Wellhausen, Dewey, Freud, Keynes, Kierkegaard (Seven Men Who Rule the World from the Grave), Antonio Gramsci and Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche.

24 posted on 08/13/2003 6:38:33 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Thank you. I wasn't doubting your stats, though. You've done an incredible job on this thread.
25 posted on 08/13/2003 6:40:10 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Traficant is a real conservative who will stomp out the socialist rats but good!)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

result of organic evolution, the process initiated by God

In those affidavits, two scientists, a philosopher, a theologian, and an educator, all of whom claim extensive knowledge of creation science, swear that it is essentially a collection of scientific data supporting the theory that the physical universe and life within it appeared suddenly, and have not changed substantially since appearing. SCALIA, J., Dissenting Opinion Edwards v. Aguillard, 482 U.S. 578 (1987) (USSC+)

Do Laws and Standards Evolve?

Evolution and the Law:

Darwinian Roots of Judicial Activism

Genesis and the Declaration of Independence

From nearly a Century agoThe Fundamentals A Testimony to the Truth


26 posted on 08/13/2003 6:50:01 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Sorri, I are not to big awn edyookayshun...

Idiot. Moron. Freak. : )

(Note to A/M: I AM kidding, and Chad knows it.)

27 posted on 08/13/2003 6:53:00 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I call him "Mel". He calls me "Security".)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
"If an unfriendly power had attempted to im-pose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war."

Wow, thanks a million for the Ping to this.

28 posted on 08/13/2003 6:58:59 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: Cathryn Crawford

I was homeschooled from 1989 - 1998. That included only one year of high school, though. The other two years were in private school, but I used the same curriculum there that I used in homeschool.

Live long and continue to PROSPER

29 posted on 08/13/2003 6:58:59 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Heh heh heh
30 posted on 08/13/2003 7:19:55 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (The wages of sin are death, but by the time FICA and SSI are taken, it's just sorta tired feeling)
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To: DittoJed2
The libs have a vested interest in keeping the feds in our schools so that they can continue to dumb down the curriculum, rewrite history, protect the teachers' unions, force -feed multiculturalism and diversity, create dependency, and maintain a high level of ignorance about the Constitution.
31 posted on 08/13/2003 7:34:21 PM PDT by Faith
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS; Cathryn Crawford
You forgot the No Child Left Behind Act, which is Goals 2000 solidified and then some.
32 posted on 08/13/2003 7:49:37 PM PDT by attagirl
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
From your first post,

These experts insist that creation science is a strictly scientific concept that can be presented without religious reference.

I have not actually seen this done, but I'll do a search on the authors referenced and see what turns up.

From the 2nd link,

Darwin offered modern man the same question which the serpent posed to Eve: "Hath God said?" thereby declaring man the ultimate source of authority.

Strawman. Darwin offered a way to organize the diversity of life in God's creation for purposes of study. God did grant us dominion.

By convincing large numbers of Christians that law is morally neutral, that human reason is the arbiter of truth, and that standards change as cultures mature, Darwinism has neutralized the restraining influence of Biblical Christianity on culture.

Darwin didn't do this. The fragmenting of Christian Churches into opposing camps did this. This started centuries before Darwin was born. In the US, Church-going Christians make up 73% of the population, but can't get a Bible class in publik skool because no one wants the other Christian Churches to set the curriculum. And don't get me started about the abomination the Episcopalians are perpetrating.

From your 4th link,

Pearcey sees a direct connection between Darwinism and the postmodern view that "the only objective and absolute truth is that there are no objective and absolute truths."

It's certainly true, as some of your links show, that Darwin was afraid that his work would not be well received in the faith community and that he turned agnostic, but nowhere did he promote moral relativism. Einstein's theory has been blamed for that as well.

The real situation is that the Christian community has abandoned it's leadership role in the world for reasons I don't understand. Maybe George W. Bush is the first in a new line of Christian presidents to bring us back from the brink? ;)

I'll be back.

33 posted on 08/13/2003 7:54:46 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Oooops!

Forgot to say thanks for your reply.

Thanks. ;)
34 posted on 08/13/2003 7:56:18 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Very important education ping...

As a Libertarian I say at the minimum allow vouchers so that students may attend any accredited school they wish, including religious schools.

Having said that, I don't think there would be a hugh shift to Biblically strict schools. There is a common belief held by the very religious that somehow the state is imposing an atheistic view against the will of the majority. In fact the majority pretty much likes the schools as they are.

Of course there are many that are priced out of religious education, and those people would switch given vouchers. But the majority of parents would try to send their kids to the best academic schools, not the most religious schools.

One only need look at the situation for college education where religious and secular institutions are on otherwise equal financial footing. Secular institutions are quite well represented.

35 posted on 08/13/2003 8:19:56 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
Ha, hugh=huge, caught by the dreaded hugh bug. :-)
36 posted on 08/13/2003 8:20:50 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Faith
So, the only way to change the system is to change the courts. Having 8 years of Billy Bob certainly hasn't helped that situation and now with the Dems stonewalling on every judicial appointment, it's no wonder. The battleground is fierce and the stakes are high for both sides.
37 posted on 08/13/2003 8:41:13 PM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: f.Christian
When you put up such a long quote as that, please, cite the author ... unless you're quoting from your writings. I've grown so accustomed to your 'high-koo' (haiku for you poets out there), I don't expect else. Great quote, BTW.
38 posted on 08/13/2003 9:05:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I'm having ice cream. Granted, it's just a Drumstick™ - nothing fancy - but I'll bet you don't have one, you freak. : )

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming.
39 posted on 08/13/2003 9:37:16 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I call him "Mel". He calls me "Security".)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
My waiter at Ruth's told me to never drop names....
40 posted on 08/13/2003 10:12:59 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (The wages of sin are death, but by the time FICA and SSI are taken, it's just sorta tired feeling)
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