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To: dwd1
The hate crimes law have good intent...

I disagree. The intent is to give special groups special identity - so that killing or harming them is WORSE than killing or harming others. This is unconstitutional, creates more hate and enmity, and just plain stupid. So if someone killed or harmed my old father, it wouldn't be as evil a crime as someone killing a homosexual. Sick. And adding homosexuals to the hate crime business is the cherry on the sick cake. Why should someone who practices same sex sodomy have special protection, or whatever the hate crimes bill is supposed to do? This is just a lawyer-fest, and the government creating a special classes of people heirarchy.

12 posted on 08/13/2003 8:33:14 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
I am not saying that there are not those whose intentions have nothing to do with doing the right thing... But please remember laws concerning domestic violence, statutory rape laws, the laws that are intended to protect the elderly from con men, SEC laws that are intended to protect investors, RICO Laws that protect the public from organized crime, drug laws that are harsh because of societies desire to discourage people from harming their bodies...Civil rights laws concerning privacy and the rights of the accused...

All of these laws have good intent but unpleasant side effects....

Please ask yourself what you would do if you were on the receiving end of the persecution endured by so many in this country for so many reasons...

A lot of these laws are a result of those members of our society that are scared... They are scared when police are not present...They are scared because they know that when authority figures and law enforcement are not present, there are those who do harm to those who are weaker simply because they can... As a society, we try to send a message to be vigilant in your behavior because one of the most important goals of society is to make all law abiding citizens feel safe and protected and we do accept persecution of the weak or those who may have a different way of thinking or living just because we can...

You have to remember that it was not so long ago that Matthew Shepard was killed, that Arabs who hate our way of life killed more than 3000 of us....That a man was dragged to death in a small Texas Town... That two young white kids were beaten and their girlfriends raped because they found themselves in the wrong neighborhood...

Until you walk a mile in the shoes of a person who has been persecuted because he is different, you may not be that understanding of the fact that he may need a little more protection than you...

14 posted on 08/13/2003 8:54:32 PM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: pram
”I disagree. The intent is to give special groups special identity - so that killing or harming them is WORSE than killing or harming others.

As far as I know, the prosecution for “hate” crimes is not focused on protecting any special group or identity. For instance, a number of black people have had the “hate” crime designation attached to crimes against white people. The crime these people are convicted of is not “hate” but rather assault or murder. The designation of “hate” crime adds to the punishment.

This idea may, I think, may come into play with regard to crimes committed by terrorists against Americans as well. In this case, any additional punishment is welcomed.

27 posted on 08/14/2003 10:30:14 AM PDT by thtr
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