Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: usurper
In the interest of fairness lets look at this from another perspective.

What was this agent doing so far from the border in the first place? Wouldn’t it make more sense for him to be on the border or at a check point preventing additional aliens from getting through?

"So far from the border"?? Listen, San Diego County is right on the US-Mexico border and San Juan Capistrano is just over the county line from San Diego. Don't make it sound like these guys were off on a wild goose chase just to try to nab some poor shivering "undocumented worker" and whale on him---these guys were enforcing the law and nabbing people who illegally went over the border.

Now that he drove all the way up there and arrested this family does anyone here really think they will be removed to Mexico? Not likely. Does it make sense to round up aliens already in the country when they can simply drag out their deportation proceedings for 10 years and then not show up for their deportation anyway? This system is a joke.

And your point is? We throw the baby out with the bathwater because deportation proceedings are screwed up? Besides, aliens nabbed "so close to the border" can be detained and returned---they don't have to go through "10 years of deportation proceedings"---not unless the Border Patrol is prevented from doing its job.

Perhaps our Border Patrol should focus on it’s primary mission defending the border. Perhaps the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (who’s job it is to round up illegal aliens) should do their jobs.

Who says the Border Patrol isn't doing its job?? Why do you think these guys are so angry---because they want to hang out at the beach at SJC instead of patrolling the border? No, they want to be able to enforce the law against illegal entry into the US, and that means detaining illegal aliens where they find them, even if it's not right at the border.

It makes no strategic or tactical sense to take agents off the border to round up illegal aliens in the interior. While this agent was arresting this group, how many more entered?

No one's "taking agents off the border to round up aliens in the interior"---didn't you read the article? Agents are being prevented from detaining illegals at an arbitrary (and as I noted very close) distance from the border.

The problem of 8 to 10 million illegal aliens in this country requires a political solution and the development of a safe and sane immigration policy. The Border Patrol must focus its resources efforts on the border. They’re the only defense we’ve got.

"The problem of 8 to 10 million illegal aliens in this country requires a political solution and the development of a safe and sane immigration policy."? Ah, I get it now!! No enforcement of current law---just a "political solution" (translation: "amnesty" and political accommodation of the demands of the Mexican government, and American law and taxpayers be DAMNED), and a "safe and sane immigration policy" (translation: open borders).

The Border Patrol "must focus its resources efforts [sic] on the border."? They're trying to do just that---you and the other "open borders" people in and out of the government get the hell out of their way.

39 posted on 08/13/2003 5:38:26 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("Furera mejicanos! Aqui no esta' la patria tuya!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies ]


To: Map Kernow
Good debate, let me respond.

Don't make it sound like these guys were off on a wild goose chase just to try to nab some poor shivering "undocumented worker" and whale on him---these guys were enforcing the law and nabbing people who illegally went over the border.

I am not criticizing him, he was doing his job. I am criticizing this approach to addressing our immigration disaster as it accomplishes nothing, save producing piles of paperwork and alienating the communities the Border Patrol must work in. This approach is not thoughtful and ultimately will achieve no appreciable benefit to the US.

And your point is? We throw the baby out with the bathwater because deportation proceedings are screwed up?

My point is that the system is broken and half measures, no, much less than half in this case, only exhaust resources which could have a significantly greater impact on the problem elsewhere.

Why do you think these guys are so angry---because they want to hang out at the beach at SJC instead of patrolling the border? No, they want to be able to enforce the law against illegal entry into the US, and that means detaining illegal aliens where they find them, even if it's not right at the border.

What’s the point, where do you think this leads? Even if the Border Patrol pulled 50% of the agents off the border in San Diego and spent the next 5 years sweeping from Orange County south what do you think the overall impact on illegal immigration in the US would be? Answer, nothing. I am sure a bunch of aliens would be arrested and removed, all of which would be back in a week or two, I am sure a bunch of agents would get sued, I am sure the media and the civil rights whack jobs would have a field day and in the end you can be confidant that the 9th Circuit would step in with an injunction and put a stop to the entire thing.

No one's "taking agents off the border to round up aliens in the interior"---didn't you read the article? Agents are being prevented from detaining illegals at an arbitrary (and as I noted very close) distance from the border.

Probably because someone has taken the time to read a bit of history. Ever hear of Chandler AZ, or Farmersville, CA or perhaps Parlier CA. It’s not like Border Patrol interior enforcement hasn’t been tried before the results are sadly predictable as we are witnessing in this story.

Ah, I get it now!! No enforcement of current law---just a "political solution" (translation: "amnesty" and political accommodation of the demands of the Mexican government, and American law and taxpayers be DAMNED), and a "safe and sane immigration policy" (translation: open borders).

I am afraid you still don’t get it, the current law is a joke. The current immigration policy is a bad joke. You seem to be under the misconception that the system was designed by good men with good intentions and it simply resulted in some unintended consequences. I believe that the current system was designed to function exactly as it does. It’s not a mistake, an oversight, a misstep or an oops. It is accomplishing everything it was setup to do.

The political solution I am referring to is not “amnesty” (as by all credible accounts only increased illegal immigration last time) its going to take a complete overhaul of immigration policy and to do that its going to take an overhaul of congress. The answer to solving this problem rests with the politicians who design it, not with a lone Border Patrol Agent in North County.

They're trying to do just that---you and the other "open borders" people in and out of the government get the hell out of their way.

Apparently you haven’t noticed but our borders are open. Now more than ever we need to secure our borders, arresting a few José’s’ here and there in the interior accomplishes nothing. Once the Border Patrol can assure us that the border is secure they can, (should newly elected leadership and the courts permit it) kick butt in the interior.

45 posted on 08/14/2003 6:04:36 AM PDT by usurper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson