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To: thegreatbeast
The ironic thing is, Lincoln freed almost no one. The Emancipation Proclamation, which went into effect in January, 1863, only applied to those states that were still in reberllion, and that were not under Northern control; nor did it apply to the border states where slavery existed, nor to Delaware, which still had some slaves (granted, not very many). So, you see that the Emancipation Proclamation really did nothing: it was a fraud, for all intents and purposes. The only states it was supposed to apply to were not affected by it, because they had already seceded and Lincoln had no authority over them. Slavery wasn't abolished until the passage of the 13th Amendment in 1865.
90 posted on 08/13/2003 10:01:58 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: ought-six
So, you see that the Emancipation Proclamation really did nothing: it was a fraud, for all intents and purposes. The only states it was supposed to apply to were not affected by it, because they had already seceded and Lincoln had no authority over them. Slavery wasn't abolished until the passage of the 13th Amendment in 1865.

You are simply wrong about that. Between Jan of 1863 when the EP took effect and Dec. of 1865 when the states ratified the 13th Amendment, over 3 million slaves were freed by the EP. Nearly 100,000 of those freed slaves served in the US Army. Look up Juneteenth to see how every slave in Texas were freed by the EP with the arrival of Union troops in Galvaston.

"The people of Texas are informed that in accordance with a Proclamation from the Executive of the United States, all slaves are free. This involves an absolute equality of rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves, and the connection heretofore existing between them becomes that between employer and free laborer."
-- Major General Gorden Granger, USA.
June 19, 1865, Gavalston Texas.

Read about this stuff instead or relying on Marxist propaganda that attempts to paint Lincoln as some sort of demon.
107 posted on 08/13/2003 10:55:26 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: ought-six
The only states it was supposed to apply to were not affected by it, because they had already seceded and Lincoln had no authority over them.

Authority belongs to the one with the power to make it stick. You can assert anything you please, but if you can't walk the walk, all you've got is talk.

My 7 year old claims I have no authority to send him to bed. I assert I do. We fight it out, and, lo and behold, my kid's secession from my authority is found to be imaginary, and my authority was found to have been valid all along.

So, you see that the Emancipation Proclamation really did nothing: it was a fraud, for all intents and purposes.

So, you see, the secession of the slavocrats did nothing; it was a fraud for all intents and purposes. They proved not to have the ability to impose their authority. Who says war never solves anything?

119 posted on 08/13/2003 12:09:55 PM PDT by LexBaird (Views seen in this tag are closer than they appear.)
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To: ought-six
Yes, yes, we know all that but Lincoln did put the entire nation at risk to do what was right. And he held to it through the entire hellish experience. Oh how different things would be if Lincoln hadn't been one of Nature's true gentlemen!
163 posted on 08/13/2003 2:26:32 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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