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To: WhiskeyPapa
There is no proof they ever met in this time frame.

LOL, I think you should have read the comments 'Held_to_Ransom' posted you regarding that. And the ones by 'GOPcapitalist', and 'nolu chan', and '4conservativejustices', and... (the list goes on) (and on) (and on) (and on)...

397 posted on 08/30/2003 3:48:00 PM PDT by thatdewd
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To: thatdewd; WhiskeyPapa
[Walt] There is no proof they ever met in this time frame.

Here is yet another meeting from an earlier timeframe, just to add additional context to the meeting to 1865.

Butler's Book, Benjamin F. Butler, 1892, p. 577-9

In the spring of 1863, I had another conversation with President Lincoln upon the subject of the employment of negroes. The question was, whether all the negro troops then enlisted and organized should be collected together and made a part of the Army of the Potomac and thus reinforce it.

* * *

We then talked of a favourite project he had of getting rid of the negroes by colonization, and he asked me what I thought of it. I told him that it was simply impossible; that the negroes would not go away, for they loved their homes as much as the rest of us, and all efforts at colonization would not make a substantial impression upon the number of negroes in the country.

Reverting to the subject of arming the negroes, I said to him that it might be possible to start with a sufficient army of white troops, and, avoiding a march which might deplete their ranks by death and sickness, to take in ships and land them somewhere on the Southern coast. These troops could then come up through the Confederacy, gathering up negroes, who could be armed at first with arms that they could handle, so as to defend themselves and aid the rest of the army in case of rebel charges upon it. In this way we could establish ourselves down there with an army that would be a terror to the whole South.

He asked me what I would arm them with. I told him John Brown had intended, if he got loose in the mountains of Virginia, to arm his negroes with spears and revolvers; and there was a great deal in that. Negroes would know how to use those arms, and the southern troops would not know how to meet their use of them, and they could be easily transported in large numbers and would require no great expense or trouble in supplying ammunition.

"That is a new idea, General," said he.

"No, Mr. President," I answered, "it is a very old one. The fathers of these negroes, and some of the negroes themselves, fought their battles in Agrica with no other weapon, save a club. Although we have substituted the bayonet for the spear, yet as long as the soldier can shoot he is not inclined to use the bayonet. In fact, bayonets are of no use, they are only for show. But probably the time has not come for dropping them."

413 posted on 09/01/2003 2:04:01 AM PDT by nolu chan
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