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To: dwd1
"At least concede that it is still just a dream."

Yes it is still just a dream. It is a dream that has reached the hearts of millions. Oddly it seams more white people dream it these days that black. All to often I see people asking that special treatment be given to them because they have dark skin.

When you speak of this, it reminds me of my time in the military where we were required to do things that we did not agree because the instructions were given by someone who has the legal authority to do so...

I hope there was a typo there. I painted grass green due to a legal order once. Then I wrote about it to the people who ran Fraud Waste and Abuse. I never painted grass again.

I think that we should have a law concerning speed traps but it is not up to me. I still have to follow the law or risk losing my life or my freedom or my property. I do not agree with the law but I follow it.

No Argument there.

Are you taking the position that though affirmative action is the law, you are willing to violently oppose it or are you stating that there are others (not you, of course) that feel as if a race war is going to result from affirmative action?"

Not at all. I believe there will come a day when the current 'goals' are achieved and the bar will be raised even higher. I believe that there are groups of people who attempt at every turn to achieve superiority rather than equality. I believe there are people who will, given the opportunity, seek to give themselves permanent privileged status. I believe that there will come a day when they will be stopped. If they are not stopped by the very people they claim to be helping, all of those people will be caught up in the backlash that follows.

So, back to what I asked earlier, Who determines when enough is enough?

If you think there is an end to it, then by all means find that end and get the supposed 'leadership' on board to support bringing things to a close.
You asked in your post if you can trust me, I say yes you can. I live in the south, racism was frowned upon in my all white high school. Racism is frowned upon by leadership at work. I haven't heard any racist jokes (if you don't include polish, Irish, and Scottish jokes as racist---most don't) in an incredibly long time. (Except on BET and heck, I laugh at those too.) Things have changed incredibly in my lifetime alone. For the most part American's of European lineage have sought understanding and granted acceptance. Sure there are still many hearts left to change, but you wont do that with a sledgehammer, you will only breed contempt. Understanding and acceptance must come not only from those hearts that pump blood to melanin poor skin cells. If the debate gets too one sided, contempt, fear and hate are the inevitable outcome.

225 posted on 08/14/2003 11:40:30 AM PDT by Outlaw76 (Citizens on the Bounce!)
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To: Outlaw76
I see that same problem...Believe me when I say that by the end of the day in Downtown LA, I was ready to get the he&& out of Dodge!!!

And when more people can understand where the other guy is coming from, that trust is going to be a given. Me, my ego is already at a point where I just want opportunity and I will take care of the rest...

I think by the time I am cashing retirement checks, this affirmative action thing is going to have a lot in common with the do-do bird and the dinosaurs...

That's what I teach my kids, that's what I tell my friends, that's the way it will be at my house...Best effort and best behavior...I owe that to you and everyone else who follows and believes in the law and the dream...

227 posted on 08/14/2003 12:06:27 PM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: Outlaw76
You deserve an answer to "When is enough, enough!" My answer would be when there is a general empathy for minorities and a respect for the equal protection clause of #14 that is found more easily than not....

Generally speaking, I think we are almost there. I do think I am in the second generation to live with the achievments and with the benefits of the civil rights movement... I was able to go to school, I have earned a good living... I think (this is my dream)in the near future when Senator Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL) or Senator Harold Ford Jr, (D-TN) declare that they are no longer a good fit in the Democratic Party and wish to switch parties and seek the nomination for the Republican Party (like Richard Shelby and Ben Campbell and there is such a conservative groundswell within the black community where we are truly an established interest within the Republican Party and the black community has a significant number who like myself, would refuse to accept reparations or (unless they come from some African Nation or Tribe that was involved) and any affirmative section because we see the opportunties and would feel insulted to know that we got something because of the color of our skin and not because we were the most qualified...I would say affirmative action definitely needs to be gone.

And I am serious...I would not accept any "reparations". I feel like I have been given my rightful share of the constitution and I do not accept that which I do not deserve...Especially when the government needs to be spending our money a little bit more wisely...
229 posted on 08/14/2003 12:26:57 PM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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