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To: squidly
The northern slaves weren't freed until after his death.

Northern slaves? The Emancipation Proclamation freed all slaves in the United States. Even before that the northern states had outlawed slavery (maybe not in reality). I am not familiar with northern slavery. What is your source?

13 posted on 08/13/2003 7:43:41 AM PDT by bedolido (None of us is as dumb as all of us!)
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To: bedolido
What I learned in AP History is the the Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in the occupied South. There were slave states that remained in the Union, but in order to keep their support, Lincoln couldn't free the slaves in those states (it's been too long, I can't remember which states those were). I think I'll go look around to give you evidence...
16 posted on 08/13/2003 7:54:48 AM PDT by Ayn Rand wannabe (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups!)
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To: bedolido
The Emancipation Proclamation freed all slaves in the United States.

Now, therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-In-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for supressing said rebellion, do, on this 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, and in accordance with my purpose so to do, publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days from the first day above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof, respectively, are this day in rebellion against the United States the following, to wit:

Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana (except the parishes of St. Bernard, Palquemines, Jefferson, St. John, St. Charles, St. James, Ascension, Assumption, Terrebone, Lafourche, St. Mary, St. Martin, and Orleans, including the city of New Orleans), Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia (except the forty-eight counties designated as West Virginia, and also the counties of Berkeley, Accomac, Morthhampton, Elizabeth City, York, Princess Anne, and Norfolk, including the cities of Norfolk and Portsmouth), and which excepted parts are for the present left precisely as if this proclamation were not issued.


In short, President Licoln attempted to free those whom he had no control over and leave those in chains that he did. But, that is a topic for another thread.

I am not familiar with northern slavery. What is your source?

The very document you reference.
17 posted on 08/13/2003 7:55:07 AM PDT by wasp69 (Remember, Uday in Pig Latin is DU)
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To: bedolido
I do know many union shops in the North refused to hire escaped or freed slaves. They were just as racist as the South is portrayed to have been. They just did a better job at hiding it.
18 posted on 08/13/2003 7:55:49 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Go Fast, Turn Left!)
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To: bedolido
The Emancipation Proclamation freed all slaves in the United States. Even before that the northern states had outlawed slavery

The EP only freed the slaves within the states that were in rebellion, straight from the EP itself: all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free

Slaves in states that did not secede, Maryland, Kentucky, Delaware, Missouri, were not freed until passage of the 13th Amendment after Lincoln's death.

21 posted on 08/13/2003 7:58:50 AM PDT by squidly
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To: bedolido
Wasp69 beat me to it, but that's alright:

"That on the 1st day of January, A.D. 1863, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.

Or here: http://www.nps.gov/ncro/anti/emancipation.html
Excerpted from the Emancipation Proclamation
22 posted on 08/13/2003 7:59:03 AM PDT by Ayn Rand wannabe (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups!)
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To: bedolido
The Emancipation Proclamation freed almost no one. See my earlier post.
94 posted on 08/13/2003 10:05:47 AM PDT by ought-six
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