[danmar]

Arnold won't change the makeup of the Republican Party from the inside -- he'll change the perception of the Republican Party from the outside. California Republicans will be marketable -- and more importantly, electable. That's something even the strongest conservatives should appreciate.

This is what I am trying to nail in my "archconservatives-biblethumping" friends skull all this time! We must "WIN"first and we will check with the principles later. When we are in the Chambers of Power, THAN, we can sit down and slice and dice all of our differences as they come.

Keep in mind...2003 is no 1980;...stop dreaming...is not going to be repeated, snap out of it, you will have to face the reality on hand and make the adjustments if you want the Republican Party to be glorious again in the Golden State!

We, Conservatives and Liberal Republicans alike should stick togheter to making our party winnnable in California again, then, we can sort out our differences at a later date.

Principles, yes, I have them too, very strong at times, but, in politics conventional wisdom dictates that "principles" are malleable until you reach your goal and at this crucial time we (Republicans), need to secure the office of the Governor, period.

[Sabertooth]

This is what I am trying to nail in my "archconservatives-biblethumping" friends skull all this time!

He's a Bible-thumper, and you're a skull-nailer? Who's the extremist, again?

[Princeliberty]

But you have not won anything if the guy who wins
has the same policies as Davis.
Arnold won't even put conservatives in his cabinet.

So it will be like Davis except no conservative
opposition at all.

And when Arnold runs things further into the ground
which he will the Republicans in general will suffer
at the polls not just Arnold in 2006. Tax and Spending more will still have the same bad effects when a Republican does it as a Democrat.

So you can get ready to kiss some Republican Congressmen,
and state reps and senators goodbye in 2004 and 2006 if Arnold wins.

[lepton]

We must "WIN"first and we will check with the principles later.

Well, that certainly brings pause.