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To: King Prout; PRND21; Howlin

Indeed, I too wish people wouldn't be so glib about murder. You say you wish folks (plural) wouldn't, and someone else said he's seen the phrase used here a lot on the forum. Any rational human being would rightly come and denounce the advocacy of such criminal behavior "glibly" or otherwise.

That was all PRND21 did on the other thread this evening. He saw someone advocate breaking the laws against the property of the President, and he commented on it correctly pointed out the hypocrisy. You countered with an insulting link to this thread, and you did so after claiming you will never again speak with him. What's up with that?

58 posted on 08/12/2003 11:56:34 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
As to the garbage relocation, I will ask again: What is more important, legality or justice?
The obvious line of thinking is as follows: President Bush has for the past 2+ years done nothing to stem the tide of illegal invasion. The way the laws are constructed, there is no way to force the illegals to stop coming or at least tidy up after themselves. US citizens on the border are justifiably tired of this. (Note - already, we have a demonstrated divergence of law and justice). The illegals dump a great deal of refuse and biowaste in these citizens' back yards. The citizens are in essence forced to clean up the messes of other people who shouldn't even be here in the first place. Recognizing that President Bush is entirely too chummy with Vincente Fox, and that he has not only failed to do anything effective to seal the border but has even allowed others to interfere with citizens doing what is entirely their right and duty to do, these citizens are faced with the knowledge that this garbage actually is the rightful property of President Bush. His watch, his responsibility, his property.
They ought to take his property off of theirs and return it to its rightful owner, or at least charge his personal estate with a storage and processing fee. That's justice.
The Law, on the other hand, effectively states "put up with it, serf". That is not just.
Laws are supposed to be just.
Our ancestors fought a revolution on that principle, remember?
82 posted on 08/13/2003 7:33:27 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Something you might want to think about:
To those folks who are neck-deep in a swarm of illegals, this situation does not seem to be describable as a "misdemeanor". This is an invasion, of the Goth/Hun/Vandal/Bulgar variety. Not military so much as by tribes and families of migrant looters and despoilers. To the citizens on the border in particular, it does not appear that the "illegals" are "petty criminals" - it looks a lot more like these *invaders* are *the enemy*.
Totally different frame of reference, don't you think?
One with which I am not happy, but with which I am not inclined to argue, as it is probably much more realistic than the politically convenient legalese characterization.
84 posted on 08/13/2003 7:42:47 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: Cultural Jihad
one side note - that "insulting link" was from King Prout TO King Prout, not to PRND21.
Additionally, I never claimed I would never speak to him again. I stated that his response to a very simple question would determine whether I would ever again *pay attention* to him.
When you misrepresent the facts, especially those easily confirmed in public-record text, you damage the credibility of your position and your air of moral superiority.
85 posted on 08/13/2003 8:17:38 AM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Are ALL the anti-immigration folks here hypocrites? >br>I am "cheerleading" lawfulness on a immigration thread and the locals go berserk.

Agenda Justice?

92 posted on 08/13/2003 9:05:53 AM PDT by PRND21
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