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To: Veracious Poet; Taxman
FYI, the IRS answers directly to the Federal Reserve (this should be perfectly clear after the latest Congressional hearings),

No, they don't. The IRS answers to the Department of the Treasury, not the Federal Reserve. You're confusing the Money Printer with the Money Collector, again.

and the Secretary of the Treasury is an employee on the Federal Reserve's payroll...

No, the Secretary of the Treasury is an employee of the Department of the Treasury, which is a division of the Executive Branch, not the Federal Reserve.

If you believe that the Secretary of the Treasury is an employee of the Federal Reserve, please cite the Act of Congress designating such employment. Chapter and Verse, please -- I'll grant your point if you can prove it, but certainly not until.

Although the IRS could continue to exist via the Nat'l. Sales Tax, which is doubtful in itself since the push is for States to administer it, The Federal Reserve/IRS would lose it's power over US Banks & Employers...and the rich elite crave power over anyone lesser then themselves.

No, again you're confusing the Money Printer (FED) with the Money Collector (IRS). Under a National Sales Tax, the IRS would lose power over Employers (not having power to Audit their Income), but the Federal Reserve's power over the Banks (which is an entirely different arrangement) would be unaffected.

In fact, under a National Sales Tax, the Federal Reserve's power to peg Interest Rates and Print Money would not be altered in any wayt whatsoever. Fiscal Policy and Monetary Policy are two different things.

If you believe that the FED would lose Power -- ANY of its existing powers -- under a National Sales Tax, please cite the exact power which the FED (not the IRS) possesses now, which it would lose.

Attacking the tax system in the US without repealing the 13th & 16th Amendments is a bit like attacking the arms of a lion, tiger or bear - if you want to kill it you aim for the head or other vital organs.

Agreed, you do need to repeal the 16th Amendment once you have a National Sales Tax, in order to prevent the re-institution of an Income Tax.

None of which has anything whatsoever to do with the FED, which pegs Interest Rates and Prints Money (and has nothing whatsoever to do with Income Tax Collection).

Furthermore, the 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery. I'm not sure why you'd want to repeal the 13th Amendment and bring back Slavery, but it has nothing to do with either the FED or the IRS (which are, I repeat, themselves completely different entities with completely different powers and duties).

The ultimate "special interest" is the Federal Reserve, and it's control over politics inside the beltway is unrivaled...until the American people take back the power to coin money and start establishing their own monetary and fiscal policies they will never get a grip on the "tax" issue. ;-)

Horsefeathers. It is entirely possible to change the Mode of Collecting Federal Reserve Notes (from Income Tax to Sales Tax), without addressing the Printing of Federal Reserve Notes (i.e., the Federal Reserve) in any way.

Why? Because the two have nothing to do with eachother.
And neither has anything to do with the 13th Amendment Abolition of Slavery.

You're not thinking this through, I'm afraid. I realize that you believe that you are, but you really must read more. You don't actually seem to understand the relationships here at all (the FED is perfectly capable of controlling interest rates, printing money, and devaluing the currency whether under an Income Tax or a Sales Tax; and the Income Tax is itself certainly a possibility with or without the FED). Think about it.

best, OP

80 posted on 08/13/2003 3:43:11 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; FairOpinion
I'm not the only person to view the Fed as the 800 pound gorilla in the mix...

James P. Philbin wrote this in Investor's Business Daily 5/4/00, p. A24: "Greenspan is chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, an organization that was surreptitiously conceived and planned by a cozy cartel of big bankers, financial elites, lawyers and politicians. Since its establishment in 1913, the Federal Reserve has had a major hand in elimination of the gold standard, a cataclysmic economic collapse, numerous financial panics and precipitous decline in the purchasing power of the dollar."

Moreover, IMHO James Traficant's magnificent indictment of the Federal Reserve/US Treasury conspiracy is the very reason he was imprisoned, the following was presented to the House of Representatives by Traficant on March 17, 1993, and is part of the Congressional Record:

http://www.btpholdings.com/the_bankruptcy_of_the_united_states.html

"...transferring the Office of the Secretary of the Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section HR 13955 reads in part: The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States."

(Sixteen nations declared bankruptcy at the first Bretton Woods Agreement in 1930. The Geneva Convention Treaty (1930) declared that international bankruptcy treaties were superior to all federal law, and the U.S. Consititution. The IMF was an outgrowth of the Bretton Woods Agreement (1948) in which over 100 nations declared bankruptcy and then formed a new currency system led by the federal United States government, the Federal Reserve Bank, and international bankers.

The Governor of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) is the Secretary of the Treasury who is the front person for the creditiors of the federal UnitedStates. The Secretary of the Treasury, appointed by the President, doesn't really work for the USA. The Secretary of the Treasury does not receive any salary from the Federal government, but is paid by the IMF. The IMF also pays the salaries of federal judges, U.S.Attorneys and U.S. Marshalls.)

To tell you the truth, I'm not going to argue all of your points specifically and state all of the historical facts that have contributed to my knowledge and opinion of the situation.

Moreover, even if I had the time at present (which I don't) it is obvious you're enthralled with the Federal Reserve controlling the financial, fiscal and economic policies of the US., so my efforts would be null.

One more thing, the reason I mentioned the 13th Amendment was a little known clause added to justify the Federal Governments creation of fraudulent debt under Lincoln; "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."

This addendum to the 13th Amendment has been used as the precedent for the Federal Gov't. creating MASSIVE debt, and who do you think is receiving the MASSIVE profit on the interest from maintaining that debt?

I don't want to repeal the entire Amendment, though it seems hardly needed now - I hope the American people are past slavery.

In addition, I also think the Federal Reserve Act should be repealed and publicly elected officials should be responsible for the functions that the Federal Reserve has taken control of.
84 posted on 08/13/2003 6:21:03 PM PDT by Veracious Poet (Adages come, adages go, but the superfluous will always be with us)
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