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New Zealand Nuclear Ship Ban: Press, Greenpeace stuck in cold war mentality
www.stuff.co.nz ^ | 12-08-03 NZST | NZPA

Posted on 08/11/2003 6:05:26 PM PDT by New Zealander

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Crazy - anti-nuclear stance in protest to cold war, concerning nuclear weapons on ships (and therfore targeting by the USSR) is extended to cover nuclear propulsion, thanks in part to pressures by the current PM when she was an MP. Now there are no nuclear weapons on ships, and only a handful of nuclear powered ships, greenpeace, and much worse, THE PRESS have to sell a deliberate and obvious lie.
1 posted on 08/11/2003 6:05:26 PM PDT by New Zealander
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To: New Zealander
It seems carriers wouldn't be visiting as they are both nuclear powered and also carry nuclear bombs.

I just wonder what the point is of wanting to make ports of call in New Zealand. It's pretty much out of the way of anything, except maybe attacking Antarctica, but I heard that the gray aliens that had their secret bases down there with the Nazi remnants have long since left the continent.

2 posted on 08/11/2003 6:09:15 PM PDT by xrp
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Yeah - the only importance that I can gleem is a normalisation of US/NZ millitary relations. The irony in that this appears to be of minor importance to the US - since the New Zealand government has given an apperance of support for the war on terror without repealing the ban, while NZ armed forces suffer from poor funding and cannot train in major exercises with other US allies.
3 posted on 08/11/2003 6:17:15 PM PDT by New Zealander
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Time to quit buying N.Z. lamb and sheep products. Most of the lamb in our stores here are from N.Z.
4 posted on 08/11/2003 6:17:20 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: xrp
My understanding - Carriers carry nuclear weapons - but warships do not - is that correct?
5 posted on 08/11/2003 6:19:19 PM PDT by New Zealander
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To: shaggy eel
Ping
6 posted on 08/11/2003 6:20:42 PM PDT by New Zealander
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A carrier is a warship.

I believe destroyers, frigates and cruisers no longer carry nukes.

7 posted on 08/11/2003 6:35:54 PM PDT by xrp
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ACT party press release
New Zealand Safer Without Nuclear Ban

Tuesday 12 Aug 2003
Ken Shirley
Press Releases -- Foreign Affairs & Defence
(view HTML version at: http://www.act.org.nz/item.jsp?id=24491 )

ACT New Zealand Deputy Leader Ken Shirley today reiterated his call
for the Government to indicate support for his Members Bill proposing
the removal of the ban on nuclear-propelled vessels, following the
comments of senior US official Grant Aldonas in Auckland yesterday.

"Access to New Zealand ports by US naval vessels is now of strategic
importance in the war on terror," Mr Shirley said.

"The South West Pacific is no longer a benign region - with worrying
levels of instability emerging in several Pacific Island nations - and
perpetrators of international terror are known to take advantage of
chaotic situations in unstable nations.

"The US administration has identified the policies banning US naval
vessels from New Zealand ports as an impediment to their - and our -
campaign on terror.

"The nonsense of this obstructive policy is highlighted by the fact
that there is no significant safety or environmental risks to justify
continuation of the ban, as stated in the 1992 report of the Special
Committee on Nuclear Propulsion chaired by retired High Court Judge
Sir Edward Somers," Mr Shirley said.

ENDS
8 posted on 08/11/2003 6:37:14 PM PDT by New Zealander
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To: xrp
A carrier is a warship.

er - yeah. My error. :)

9 posted on 08/11/2003 6:38:45 PM PDT by New Zealander
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If your weapons are lies, your enemy is truth.
10 posted on 08/11/2003 6:41:41 PM PDT by polemikos (If your weapons are lies, your enemy is truth)
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your = their (Greenpreace, press, DimDumbDems, etc.
11 posted on 08/11/2003 6:42:39 PM PDT by polemikos (If your weapons are lies, your enemy is truth)
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,,, good one Mate! Heard this on this morning's news. Good to see you've posted it. Now, let's see how our globe trotting Prime Minister handles this.
12 posted on 08/11/2003 6:44:14 PM PDT by shaggy eel (Checking in from 41º 18'S 174º 47'E)
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Maybe when the government of New Zealand is not run by Greenpeace, some intelligent agreements can be made regarding nuclear powered ships stopping there. Don't feel bad...Greenpeace is slowly taking over the government of Australia too. It's obvious she thinks the US is more of a threat than homocide bombing maniacs using airliners as WMD.
13 posted on 08/11/2003 6:46:56 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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Time to quit buying N.Z. lamb and sheep products. Most of the lamb in our stores here are from N.Z.

Please keep buying New Zealand agricutural products - especally farmed livestock. The current anti-nuclear govenment (which was resposable for imposing the ban over a decade ago) has recently imposed a 'fart tax'.

This unpopular idea penalises farmers for their important part in our economy, while offering them no practical solution to reducing so-called greenhouse gas emissions. You'll find that they'll be voting for parties that support a repeal of the anti-nuclear stance at the next election. New Zealand farmers are your allies.

14 posted on 08/11/2003 6:47:00 PM PDT by New Zealander
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"The irony in that this appears to be of minor importance to the US - since the New Zealand government has given an apperance of support for the war on terror without repealing the ban, while NZ armed forces suffer from poor funding and cannot train in major exercises with other US allies."

Is she an admirer of Chrétien's? She seems willing to follow the Canadian example of destroying her country's military. Shame.

15 posted on 08/11/2003 6:50:44 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Brian Allen; AMNZ; ErnBatavia; cynicom; norton; kstewskis; stanz; expots; curiouskiwi; Neophyte; ...
FYI
16 posted on 08/11/2003 6:52:02 PM PDT by shaggy eel (Checking in from 41º 18'S 174º 47'E)
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Cheers mate.

The original headline is bollocks isn't it? How do you exert pressure by talking in a moderate way at a business lunch?

17 posted on 08/11/2003 6:52:39 PM PDT by New Zealander
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Prime Minister Helen Clark refused to comment directly on Mr Aldonas' statements.

,,, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop - election issue!!!!

18 posted on 08/11/2003 6:54:56 PM PDT by shaggy eel (Checking in from 41º 18'S 174º 47'E)
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"This unpopular idea penalises farmers for their important part in our economy, while offering them no practical solution to reducing so-called greenhouse gas emissions"

Algore is a big subscriber to that. He tried to get support for his fart tax while he was still VP. The media changed "cow flatulence" to "cow burps" so as not to shock the sensitive sensitivities of the lefties. I sympathize.

On the other hand, looks as though one of Algor's OTHER pet projects, the fat tax (tax on meat, sugar, dairy, junk food, etc) will soon become reality here. Soon we won't be able to buy NZ farm products. Or American farm products for that matter.

19 posted on 08/11/2003 6:57:10 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: shaggy eel
It's going to be a much better election that the last one eh? You can detect a change in the press too...
20 posted on 08/11/2003 6:58:09 PM PDT by New Zealander
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