IRS vs. KUGLIN (IRS Loses in Memphis: Is Income Tax History?)

Sierra Times ^ | August 10, 2003 | Carl Worden

[Bikers4Bush]

I'm a big fan of the military myself, if you look at how much the military gets compare to what we send overseas and use to support the illegals etc. you'd find that there's a lot of room for us to get OUR money back and still keep the military in good shape.

The truth is that this might start a flat tax revolution.

[mattdono]

Point taken. Perhaps I meant precedent in that there is now a way, though not an actual legal precedent, to follow to tell the IRS to bugger off.

[asformeandformyhouse]

Good luck living in the relative freedom that we have here if everyone decides not to pay their income taxes. The chinese would love to show us their brand of 'freedom' after they roll through our non-existant military

Again this shows you do not understand freedom. If american citizens can be forced to obey what the government demands which can not be legally proven to be binding upon them, then in fact we have the Chinese system here already.

The constitution originally provided for a method of taxation that would fund the existence of a military. It is the 'income tax' on american citizens that is in question here.

[RGSpincich]

He was clearly unable to produce a single section of the Tax Code to that end, and the jury was unanimous in clearing Kuglin of all charges against her. If the foregoing was not so, Kuglin would have been convicted.

The author assumes the lady was acquitted because she was not convicted. Wrong, there could very well be a hung jury here. The court docs on the PACER site have not been posted yet.

[mel]

I heard it this morning on that awful Doug Steffen (sp) radio program

[Extremist]

The truth is that this might start a flat tax revolution

The Flat Tax or a Nat'l Sales Tax would beat our current system and lower, if not eliminate, the need for the IRS.

A sales tax would be good because it would bring illegal aliens into the system. Of course its downside is that it would turn all merchants into Federal Tax Collectors.

[Bikers4Bush]

Agreed, although I don't like the idea of every merchant becoming an agent of the government either.

[hopespringseternal]

One thing though, I'm a fan of the US military. If a tax rebellion occured we'd have to kiss our defense goodbye. This is all well and good on a theoretical standpoint, but scary as hell in reality.... unless you are looking forward to anarchy.

We had a military that defeated the England twice, Spain, Mexico, and won a civil war without an income tax.* The chief purpose of the income tax is funding the welfare state. The legitimate functions of government don't need an income tax.

This case will likely not change anything, but even if it did the issue deserves serious discussion, not the sort of hysterics the democratic party uses for every issue.

*Income taxes were passed at times, but never made it throught the courts.

[lewislynn]

Hope she doesn't drive on the roads that she didn't help to pay for. Pure lunacy.

Actually the lunacy is when people are led to believe income taxes not gasoline taxes paid at the pump pay for roads...

[Manic_Episode]

"Guess this 'lady' thinks she is better than the rest of us... who have to pay her share. Hope she doesn't drive on the roads that she didn't help to pay for. Pure lunacy."

What is "pure lunacy" is that June 2 is tax freedom day.

[RGSpincich]

Oops disregard previous post.

[VOA]

bump

[StolarStorm]

Good point. A flat tax or sales tax... with some additional tariffs thrown in would work better than horrible system we have now. My issue was with some of these posts here that appeared to be from people that didn't seem to think that they should pay ANY taxes. Freeloaders. Sadly, the income tax is the system we have now regardless, and this pilot is a freeloader.

[tomakaze]

re:Hope she doesn't drive on the roads that she didn't help to pay for
 
So they dont tax the hell out of gas & charge a ridiculous yearly "licensing fee" for personal vehicles to pay for roads in Tennessee like they do everywhere else?

[StolarStorm]

I already admitted I was wrong. Damn. Talk about beating something to death.

[grumple]

I wonder if the 12 jurors banded together to tell these legal paycheck-portion confiscators to stick the IRS tax code where the sun don't shine...

[Bikers4Bush]

Tehcnically she's a victim. The federal government has been robbing her (and the rest of us) for years.

If the code doesn't exist then she also has a case for malicious prosecution I would guess.

If the government expects us to obey the laws then it has to live and die by that same sword.

[drypowder]

Beyond written law, Case law is used as the basis in which charges are pursued or tossed.

[Trailerpark Badass]

Guess this 'lady' thinks she is better than the rest of us... who have to pay her share.

Apparently, you're paying your "share" voluntarily.

Good for you!

[Tauzero]

I agree.