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To: TigersEye; .30Carbine; MHGinTN
You wrote, quoting me:

If there is an all powerful God/creator, Is there or isn't there? You brought "God/creator" and your host of other deities into this.

It's not my host of dieties, it is all those other people, like .30Carbine for example, who believes in demons. I can find neither proof of God nor disproof of God, so, I am an agnositic.

There is one thing about this game called 'life', you can't get out of it alive. What point are you making? That life is valueless?

Actually, now that you mention it, exactly the opposite, as most of those who argue that, seem to argue that a life is worthless. All those who say that a fertilized egg has the same value as human baby (already born) or even a child or full grown adult, are arguing that there is no intrinsic value to all accomplishments after the sperm enters the egg. When everything is of equal value, there is no point to doing anything. - MHGinTN believes that a fertilized egg is worth the same as a fully grown, and accomplished adult, therefore, a person's life experiences, and accomplishments add nothing to the value of the sperm and egg. So, therefore, a 'life' is essentially worthless. Remember, there can be no light, without darkness to compare it to.

If there is an all powerful God/creator, he is also a destroyer,< Stupid logic. GM builds cars, cars wear out and break down, therefore GM destroys cars. Moron.

Now, there you go, doing exactly what the author of the article is accusing pro-abortionists of doing, using loaded words and insults. As far as being a moron, I think you are pretty ignorant if you think that GM doesn't design cars to fail, therefore destroying cars. About 30 years ago Porche designed a prototype car, which basically wouldn't wear out. It cost about 5 times as much to build as a regular Porche, and would basically, with reasonable care, last forever. They decided not to build it for production, as it was a good way not to sell new Porches, and make more money. And in a similar time frame, when the average person traded their car about 3.2 years after putting on a new Muffler, Midas designed 'Lifetime' mufflers to last 3.6 years. Of course GM designs cars to fail. How else could they sell new, replacement cars

... who kills 100% of the people he created.?? I don't like your God/creator. If he destroys life then f#ck him.

You must criticize your 'friends' and fellow 'deists' here, not me. That is why they dreamed up 'life everlasting', and 'ever lasting soul', because it is very apparent, people always die, so if 'God' is all powerful, they must give their God an 'out', and so they invented the 'ever lasting soul'. Interestingly enough, I was listening to woman on the radio tonight, expound on how Jesus, was a living physical body, (specifically not a spirit, but a 'body' - 'corporeal') and had a body, and was living somewhere up in space called the 'third level of heaven', or something similar. That he was not a spirit, but a physical body.

62 posted on 08/15/2003 3:01:30 AM PDT by XBob
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To: XBob; .30Carbine; MHGinTN
It's not my host of dieties, it is all those other people, like .30Carbine for example, who believes in demons. I can find neither proof of God nor disproof of God, so, I am an agnositic.

He's AGNOSTIC! ROTFLOL Agnostic. There's a winner of a belief system. The pinnacle of reasoned thought and logic. LOL, I mean c'mon!

At least an atheist can look himself in the mirror and say "I know what I believe and why." If you believe that science is the greatest discipline and logic is man's greatest faculty then atheism is an understandable conclusion to come to. A creator cannot be proved to exist by reason alone and creation of the universe can't be duplicated in a test that is repeatable and verifiable by 'objective' observers. So the atheist can construct a rationale of logic that works.
But what does an agnostic believe?

ag·nos·tic
n.
One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

So an agnostic is someone who thinks "I don't have the power or faculties to know if there is a God" but he will contemplate the idea anyway. "Knowing God is impossible but I'll spend time trying." The dictionary is kind to describe an agnostic as 'noncommittal'. It could also say "willing to beleive what is unbeleivable if I can find proof of the unprovable". Or "not afraid to waste time spinning my wheels". That is the most profoundly illogical (and useless) view of life I can think of. It would be better to think that this is all a dream and I'll wake up when I "die". Whether you were right or wrong that would be better because at least you wouldn't waste your time thinking about something you think isn't worth thinking about.

That was the first of several definitions of agnostic I found. The others just deepen the quicksand. Interestingly the word agnostic was coined in 1870 by Thomas Huxley. The only thing I know about him is that he was the father of Aldous Huxley. I wonder if Brave New World came from experiencing the vacuousness of daddie's mind?

XBob reminds me of this old conundrum:
The following statement is true. The preceding statement is false.
He's the walking talking version of it. Every point he makes is premised on the nature of creation and its creator and is then followed with the disclaimer that he is using someone else's belief to explain things and besides he hasn't decided whether to believe it or not. Proceeding from his theology/nontheology everything he says is naturally meaningless/meaningless. And you can't prove that it means anything either.

73 posted on 08/15/2003 6:10:17 AM PDT by TigersEye (Joe McCarthy was right ... so was PT Barnum!)
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