Adolescent Arguments in the Abortion Debate

Association for Interdisciplinary Research in Values and Social Change Vol. 17, No. 3 ^ | July/August 2002 | Wanda Franz, Ph.D.

[XBob]

66 - "A liar looks like you do on this forum."

So, now I look like a liar/demon.

Well - I don't have pointy ears. And as far as looking like a liar, I sure don't look like Bill Clinton.

Please list my lies, and be advised, just because I don't necessarily agree with a book written 2000 years ago, doesn't mean what I say is a lie.

Please list my lies.

[XBob]

70 - So - what do you want? I listed my beliefs/non-beliefs. Personally, I don't think abortions should be performed on viable fetuses, but that is my belief. I don't think fertilized eggs are people, but potential people. I don't think we have enough resources to save every fertilized egg, and help it develop into a full grown adult, and that perhaps the most cruel thing one can do in life is to bring an unwanted child into this world. I think that stem cell research, using embyronic stem cells should progress immediately, to save as many lives and ease the discomfort and suffering of hundreds of millions of already born people around the world.

I also think that 'life' began long before the joining of two already living gametes, and that stem cell research to solve these problems is great.

Is that what you want ?

[XBob]

71 - indeed - most of the anti-abortionists think that an embryo must be preserved, at all costs. We don't have the resources to carry all fertilized eggs into adulthood, and in the mean time already born people suffer greatly.

"As for a human embryo, it is a human in its earliest stages of development."

Then the games from which it was formed don't count as being human or alive?

[XBob]

72 - "However, in the case of the latter examples, rape and incest, abortion should only be performed in the first tri-mester"

So then abortion is OK, depending on the circumstances, and when performing an abortion, in the first trimester, one is not killing a 'person'?

Many on this thread disagree with you on that.

[XBob]

73- To put my 'agnostic' beliefs very simply - I don't know. I have tried to 'know', and can find no convincing proof, either way, that there is or is not a God/creator. Both deism (belief in a god) and athiesim (disbelief in a god) must be be arrived at by 'faith', as there is no convincing proof either way. If convincing proof ever shows up for me, I will be happy to 'convert'. In the mean time, I am quite satisfied to be an honest agnostic.

[XBob]

74 - "By any chance were you in charge of foam insulation adhesive?"

No, not those particular adhesives. However, I was responsible to assure that the workers had many of the other adhesives which were current 'in date', and this sometimes varied from a matter of minutes/hours to months. Sometimes it got to be quite a scramble to get new adhesives, particularly, those mixed for a specific application, and we had no more components, and the last batch 'expired'.

You may be interested in looking at our analysis of the Colombia fiasco/murders. I was a major contributor to the thread, which had over 4000 responses.
We beat NASA analysis by months:

Observation on TPS damage on Orbiter ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/835531/posts

[XBob]

75 - "What makes you think I give a rats ass what you think about 'God' or the Universe?"

Could it be because you asked? - "59 - "Why? Nothing of your own to believe in nothing of your own to say?"

[XBob]

Sorry - don't call me a liar, just because you didn't write what you meant to say. Let me quote:

This sort of behavior is only natural to demons.


49 posted on 08/14/2003 3:22 AM CDT by .30Carbine
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I didn't mean to post that twice.


50 posted on 08/14/2003 3:24 AM CDT by .30Carbine
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It should have been posted three times!


51 posted on 08/14/2003 7:42 AM CDT by TigersEye

[XBob]

76 - "Is spontaneous abortion thought out and done with deliberate intention like this? Are natural causes of miscarriage called a procedure?
Obviously not."

So, Nature/God (which ever you believe) just does things haphazardly, with no plan/for no reason, and indiscriminately/haphazarly aborts fetuses without reason?

I guess we should get nature/God to 'write' a procedure, before causing a miscarriage, and get 'approval' prior to causing the 'spontaneous abortion'.

And don't forget to get the 'plans' for birds, before they can fly with feathers.

[XBob]

Who are you quoting here, yourself? ""Yes it is deliberate because some people say 'God' does it but I don't know if there is a 'God' so I don't say 'God' does it so I'm not responsible for saying 'yes' but that's my answer. Now it's up to you to unravel my words because I'm so tangled up inside I can't come right out and say abortion kills a human being and shouldn't be done for frivolous reasons."

[XBob]

77 - you are correct on this - "you're wasting time with Xbob ", however, it is because youall's arguments are so full of logical falacies. And your ideas serve to extend the suffering and kill millions, by denying proper research to save them. And you KNOW in previous posts and arguments, that I do believe that 'viable fetuses' should not be aborted - so stop mis-representing me, and stop confusing fertilized eggs with chickens. Because of your stupidity, you are affecting millions of already born people.

[XBob]

77 - you are correct on this - "you're wasting time with Xbob ", however, it is because youall's arguments are so full of logical falacies. And your ideas serve to extend the suffering and kill millions, by denying proper research to save them. And you KNOW in previous posts and arguments, that I do believe that 'viable fetuses' should not be aborted - so stop mis-representing me, and stop confusing fertilized eggs with chickens. Because of your stupidity, you are affecting millions of already born people.

[.30Carbine]

GOD spoke all these words:

I am the Lord your God, Who has brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before or besides Me.

You shall not make yourself any graven image [to worship it] or any likeness of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down yourself to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Me, but showing mercy and steadfast love to a thousand generations of those who love Me and keep My commandments.

You shall not use or repeat the name of the Lord your God in vain [that is, lightly or frivolously, in false affirmations or profanely]; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

[Earnestly] remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy (withdrawn from common employment and dedicated to God). Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, your daughter, your manservant, your maidservant, your domestic animals, or the sojourner within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. That is why the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it [set it apart for His purposes].

Regard (treat with honor, due obedience, and courtesy) your father and mother, that your days may be long in the land the Lord your God gives you.

You shall not commit murder.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not witness falsely against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor's house, your neighbor's wife, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.

[.30Carbine]

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

[.30Carbine]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

In him was life, and that life was the light of men.

The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

[.30Carbine]

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."

He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

[TigersEye]

You may be interested in looking at our analysis ... .

Read it already.

[TigersEye]

Could it be because you asked? - "59 - "Why? Nothing of your own to believe in nothing of your own to say?"

I wasn't asking what you believed, you had already posted gobs of that in the guise of "other people say". I was asking why you are unable to speak for yourself.

[TigersEye]

Sorry - don't call me a liar, just because you didn't write what you meant to say.

Oh, omniscient one! Oh, mighty XBoob, tell me what I am thinking.

You're a horse's ass and a liar. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Debating with a liberal on any topic is just like this. "debate" always falls out like this.