Herman Cain, Ga U.S.Senate Candidate, may be the national Democratic Party's worst nightmare.

The Florida Times-Union ^ | June 4, 2003 | The Florida Times-Union Opinion

[Old Sarge]

That base is small. It will continue to remain small in 2004. But by at least addressing it, even though the growth rate is small, it will begin to grow.

My personal feeling is that there won't be a significant increase in black conservative votership until at least 2008.

2008 - that's three election cycles. While not as optimistic, I would concur, but my graph might go out to four - 2010. Two Congressional, and two general.

Not only that, the sheer power of being able to point to individuals who do not follow the Jackson-Sharpton party line is immeasurable.

Oh, absolutely! Something like this line of thought, as well as that recent high-profile Leo T. defection, start planting seeds of doubt in the other direction.

Thank you for the reasoned reply, as opposed to the vitriol from others.

[Old Sarge]

...this means that you are every bit as much of a political enemy of mine as they are...

...And take this to heart from an "old" SP4, sergeant: Up yours.

Thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts as you leave...

[Smogger]

You're taking his remarks totally out of context. He is no race baiter and he's not looking for a handout. He cant understand why so many black people think the government will solve all of their problems and he uses this as an example.

Precisely. And blacks that "think goverment will solve all of their problems" were the intended audience of this statement not "Old Sarge" who is obviously an old white guy who is offended by any discussion of race.

[Old Sarge]

Arkinsaw: You are assuming that the speaker is implying that you and I have ownership of our money just because he told his listerners that they don't. Another logical fallacy.

Please tell me, FRiend, where it's a fallacy to disagree that confiscated monies are ours at all.

Ditto: Then you don't understand the logic behind privatizing a portion of SS contributions.

Then educate me - will it not result in larger SS availability over ong-term?

Both: We all concur, I believe, that SS = re-distribution of wealth on a national scale.

[rdb3]

I is still here, mazzah! Now I'on git no hawt conebread wit muh mush? Dat's awight. But I is still here.

IR == 'ON';

[Ditto]

Then educate me - will it not result in larger SS availability over ong-term?

It simply says that a portion of what you now pay into SS will go to a private retirement investment fund, that you control, is in your name, and will belong to your estate if you die, not the government coffers. My father for instance, died at age 58. Of all the money he paid into SS over his lifetime, only $255 was given to the family as a death benefit. The government kept the rest.

Privatizing the portion of SS above the safety-net portion would have the effect of involving more people from the lower end of the income scale in planning for their own future as opposed to relying on the nanny state (i.e. Democrat Party) for their future.

That is what Cain is advocating.

[rdb3]

I repost this to see just where my words in post #25 were worthy of being removed:

Oh. Well, I'm not a Republican for starters. But I see your point. You want the Right to do the same thing that you say the Left will do. Glad you cleared that up for me, since this means that you are every bit as much of a political enemy of mine as they are. There is no third way with conservative blacks no matter how many or few we are. You are either with us, or against us. You've chosen the latter.

And take this to heart from an "old" SP4, sergeant: Up yours. Just as it is happening to the Left, your political nightmare is about to come true. Now run along, Sgt. Whatever. And I say that at the position of parade rest.

This post was in response to Old Sarge who has made innumerable posts stating how the Right should just write black people off and do nothing as far as appealing to us.

So tell me, Admin, what in my post was worthy of being removed?

[Smogger]

I am curious myself.

[Mike Darancette]

Thanks Sarge for making Mr. Cain's point!

[krb]

Wow...from his website:

• People make better decisions about their lives than government
• People should not be penalized for working hard and trying to save
• People want more leadership and real solutions
• The current income tax code must be replaced
• The Social Security system must be restructured
• Heath care must be affordable and accessible for everyone
• A good education in America should not be negotiable
• We are the greatest country in the world and we must keep it that way

[Old Sarge]

(big snip) ...That is what Cain is advocating.

Okay, "partial" privatization. That brings out a few questions from the class:

* Is there a downside to "total", as opposed to "partial" privatization?

* If the natural Leftist goal is to keep as much cash in SS as possible, then where is the issue of SS being drained dry? If there's so much retention of cash by recipients dying off, is there that much of a shortfall?

* How is the "safety-net portion" determined? Is there a means test, or income, or some other yardstick?

[Old Sarge]

not "Old Sarge" who is obviously an old white guy who is offended by any discussion of race.

Kindly do not think you can speak for me.

[nyconse]

I can't stand Isaakson, but if the Repubs lose the Senate they won't be voting on abortion anyway. Also, I am sick of politicians that run as Dems-claiming to be pro-life (sure). This only happens in red states. Isaakson is the same, he should be a Dem-this party supports abortion. I really don't think Johnny will get the nod anyway. I don't believe pro-abortion candidates can ge elected statewide.The most important vote we cast is for President-a few conservative justices would make a difference. Therefore, If Johnny got the nomination, I would have to vote for him because of judges at the federal level and possibly the four supreme court justices who will almost certainly be chosen during a Bush second term.

[nyconse]

Hey, Please don't go anywhere-we need you guys. LOL

[nyconse]

You got to be careful of the Collins types. Plenty of them are ex-dems who switched only because they couldn't get elected. They still legislate like Dems. I don't know anythink about Collins; This may not apply to him.

[nyconse]

Collins lost to Zell Miller didn't he?

[Creightongrad]

If Cain gets in a debate with the other Republicans, WATCH OUT. He'll clean their clocks. He's a great, great speaker.

[nyconse]

I'm excited about Cain-I've seen his website. I think he is terrific. Not that it matters, but I am a white woman. Race doesn't matter to me in a candidate: only their conservative, hopefully pro-life views. I'd vote for a "purple" candidate if he was a conservative.

[votelife]

I would support the pro-life conservative Cain just to break the Dems monopoly on the black vote. Sorry Collins, I'm sure you're good too, but for the good of the party, we need Cain for the outreach!

[Little Ray]

Geez, what a conflict. I want to vote Democrat in the Primary for Al Sharpton (the Perfect Democrat), but I'd also want to vote Republican to advance Mr. Cain's prospects. Guess it all depends where Sharpton and Cain stand on primary day. 2004 is gonna be such fun!