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To: Lurker
please explain the "stove pipe city".
14 posted on 08/10/2003 3:54:36 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: longtermmemmory
"Stove pipe" is the term given to a failure to feed "jam". In semi and full auto weapons, the empty case sticking out of the action looks like a cartoon stove pipe. All the more reason to learn shot placement and carry a revolver. 'Tho that might not be practical for a military operation.
16 posted on 08/10/2003 4:49:17 PM PDT by chadwimc
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To: longtermmemmory
A "stove pipe" is a type of malfunction where a spent round is left in the action, preventing it from closing, sticking straight out like a pipe from a stove or a flue from a house. It can occur from one of three things, failure to extract adequately, failure to eject and in the virtually impossible circumstance of brass bouncing back into the action. In the case of an ejection failure it's usually due to cleaning or ejector spring fatigue. My M16 experienced this using a Vietnam era bolt carrier assembly.

The scenario described by Lurker (post #3) just isn't going to happen. It would require a combination of circumstances that is improbable to the point of silliness. If it were to happen the problem wouldn't be bullpup vs. standard rifle, the problem would be having an ejection port within 2" of a wall. The Tavor's large ejection port, in my estimation, isn't going to act like a spent brass funnel.

I'm ambidexterous so my biggest problem with bullpup junk is hot brass flying across my face when I switch shoulders.
AUG fanboys will argue that you can reverse ejection. Great. In a firefight? When you switch sides of a road on a patrol? As mentioned before, from in a car? Hell no.
I say bullpup is fine for very special purpose stuff. As a general purpose all-around rifle I think the Brits might be a good source of feedback about that.

Post #7 mentioned bayonets. Name the last time bayonets figured prominently into an Israeli mission.
17 posted on 08/10/2003 4:56:49 PM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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