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To: birbear
Because, Jay, McClintock, as great as a conservative as he may be, doesn't stand a chance at winning this election.

Reconcile this opinion with the fact that a horribly-bungled campaign by Simon (a conservative) came _this_ close to ousting Davis less than 2 years ago.

Sorry, I don't buy the lie that a conservative doesn't have a chance.

-Jay

146 posted on 08/09/2003 5:46:16 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (Steamroll the RINOs -- Vote for Tom McClintock! -- http://www.tommcclintock.com/)
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To: Jay D. Dyson
Reconcile this opinion with the fact that a horribly-bungled campaign by Simon (a conservative) came _this_ close to ousting Davis less than 2 years ago. Sorry, I don't buy the lie that a conservative doesn't have a chance.

Because Simon was running against Davis. Davis was a piece of ____ his first term in office, too. Californians are just a bit slow to catch on sometimes.

And it's not because Simon or McClintock are conservatives that they can't win, it's because Californians like excitement and panache in almost everything they do. *IF* there was a longer election cycle, McClintock sounds like the man to get behind, he could probably handle a longer, more drawn out race than Arnold could.


As much as we hate it, we have to admit that, this particular election in particular, is in reality, a popularity contest. I'm not saying I like that, I'm saying that's the reality.

Even if Arnold were to drop out, there's no indication that his support would go to Simon or McClintock. That's not to say it would go to the Democrat either. A lot of Arnold's support would either just dissapear, or would go down to the second most well known name on the ballot.

Again, I'm not saying that it's "right", and I'm not agreeing with it. I'm being practical and pragmatic. It *MAY* be better to end up with "Davis-lite" (although I don't see Arnold being THAT bad), but "Davis-lite" maybe the only viable alternative to actual Davis.

Sometimes incrementalism works our way, too.
153 posted on 08/09/2003 5:59:45 PM PDT by birbear (I'll take Things Nobody Knows for $300, please, Alex.)
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To: Jay D. Dyson
I agree that Simon bundled his campaign. Should such a bungler be the governor?

In any case, it is probable that the liberal California voters were not voting for Simon but voting AGAINST Davis.

Personally, I am looking at the big picture. Having a Republican governor who is popular increases the odds that Bush will win California and that a Republican will win a CA Senate seat. Those two positions can really affect abortion and gun control issues. Getting more conservative judges and justices is the SOLUTION.

I really believe that a charismatic immigrant Republican governor will draw Hispanics to the Republican Party.

Concerning the RINOs, though I am far right myself, I am thankful for the votes of the moderate Republican Senators in confirming the Bush nominations and passing Bush's legislation.

I keep in mind that some conservative senators are not aiding our cause with the nominations. They happen to be Democrats.
159 posted on 08/09/2003 6:14:15 PM PDT by IpaqMan
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