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To: Chief_Joe
Chief_Joe wrote:

I found it interesting that the article never addressed the structure of the black family as a potential cause of the problem.

The only words of wisdom that I have seen in this article and the entire thread. Of course it is the destruction, in fact the planned destruction, of the black family that is the root cause of this problem. If you plant potatoes you get potatoes. When you raise black boys up in a society where the majority of the children are raised by the women, where many of the men don't even know who there children are and probably don't care you are not going to provide young males with the role models that are the norm in most of society.

This is a phenomenon of my lifetime. I remember when it wasn't so. I grew up in a mixed interracial school and the black kids were my friends and they were just as hard working and dedicated to learning as anyone. Something happened called welfare and the welfare state, women's liberation, affirmative action, MTV, rap music, criminals as heroes and, well you get the idea. All of these things have contributed to the destruction of the black family and all have changed things for the worse.

If we start now it will take a generation or two to heal. A very sad state of affairs but it does have one great advantage: It secures 95% of the black vote for the Dems. Hard to beat that.

32 posted on 08/09/2003 5:11:32 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint
When you raise black boys up in a society where the majority of the children are raised by the women, where many of the men don't even know who there children are and probably don't care ...

unless they make to the NBA

40 posted on 08/09/2003 5:38:15 AM PDT by alrea
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To: InterceptPoint
If we start now it will take a generation or two to heal. A very sad state of affairs but it does have one great advantage: It secures 95% of the black vote for the Dems. Hard to beat that.

you're wrong here. it's more like 97%.

41 posted on 08/09/2003 5:39:54 AM PDT by alrea
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To: InterceptPoint
Something happened called welfare and the welfare state, women's liberation, affirmative action, MTV, rap music, criminals as heroes and, well you get the idea. All of these things have contributed to the destruction of the black family and all have changed things for the worse.

There seems to be something else though ---the military. Around here the blacks are actually the most middle class of everyone, almost all are associated with the military in some way. You see almost no black crime, no black gangs, and you see a lot of families ---men shopping with their wives and children.

62 posted on 08/09/2003 6:43:21 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: InterceptPoint
My next door neighobors are a black family. The father is very involved in his family. The four teen-aged children (two boys, two girls) are hard workers, very polite, neatly dressed and have a strong sense of their goals in life. They have a variety of interests, from raising show dogs to playing basketball. Each one of them can play 2 musical instruments. They are intimately involved in church.

These folks don't have a lot of money. Their kids are going to be successful in life.
63 posted on 08/09/2003 6:43:50 AM PDT by gitmo (We have left the slippery slope and we are now in free fall.)
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To: InterceptPoint
I grew up in a mixed interracial school and the black kids were my friends and they were just as hard working and dedicated to learning as anyone. Something happened called welfare and the welfare state, women's liberation, affirmative action…

This is where I think the heart of the problem is now. Yes the black nuclear family has been very nearly destroyed by the substitution of the male head of household with a welfare check. As I see it, this has lead to an unexpected, though some might say expected, consequence in how black females view black males: they do not view them as providers but only as sex partners. Additionally, it is drummed into black women’s minds from various media that they are expected to be the leader of the family and that a black man is unnecessary. Today’s black woman seems tormented. She has gained an advantage over black men in a society that is less fearful of her personal achievement and she is prideful of her achievement, but she also harbors a lot of anger and hate at the black male for not being the provider and leader she instinctively knows she needs to raise a family. It seems black women of today have developed a disrespectful and condescending view of the black males. It is possible that her anger and hate at the black male manifest itself in the raising of black boys where she has “low expectations” for them and high expectations for her daughters. “But an effect can become a cause, reinforcing the original cause and producing the same effect in an intensified form…” Out of fear or the myth of the black super woman, It seems possible that today’s black woman does not really want the black male to achieve higher gains for fear that it threatens her position as head of the household.

114 posted on 08/09/2003 11:32:20 PM PDT by Chief_Joe (From where the sun now sits, I will fight on -FOREVER!)
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