Father of dead soldier claims Army coverup

UPI ^ | 8/7/2003 6:13 PM | Mark Benjamin Investigations Editor

[Domestic Church]

Possible anthrax/smallpox vaccine connection with pneumonia cases.

[blam]

I wonder if there is a genetic element to these vaccines?

[BlackVeil]

There was also a small item on a news site yesterday that a soldier had died of a "seizure" in Iraq.

I have never believed in multi-vaccinations - big hits against a number of diseases - I think that is risky.

[xzins]

Because she's one of ours, this Dad is right.

They should look at the link with the vaccinations. Perhaps anthrax and smallpox in tandem overwhelm the body's defenses in some crucial way that makes other problems possible.

So far as I know, they've never been done together in some kind of time proximity.

We owe it to the dad and to the memory of this soldier and for the benefit of other soldiers.

[aristeides]

Could a bad reaction to anthrax vaccine create the symptoms of anthrax poisoning?

[Domestic Church]

Do you mean a sensitivity due to population genetics?

[Libertina]

Doctors have already said that their will be a small percentage of people who will get sick or die from these vaccinations, just as there are a few babies who react to normal childhood vaccinations. It is very sad for this family, but I can't term this a cover-up.

[Domestic Church]

Yes, I saw that news blip too. That should be considered especially if the vaccine is triggering systemic cases. The initial pneumonia case I read about mentioned that the muscles and organs were rapidly disintegrating...possible severe autoimmune reaction? Certainly sounds like anthrax exposure.

[blam]

"Do you mean a sensitivity due to population genetics?"

Yes. (I always wonder that when only some are affected.)

[onedoug]

I agree.

[mark502inf]

"The government is covering this up and it is a dog-gone shame,"

A real tragedy and a very tough time for the grieving Dad.

Since every soldier that went to Iraq received these vaccinations, it is difficult to make the case that there are widespread side-effects--about 100 sick with close to 200,00 either serving in Iraq or having already returned.

Because of the Gulf War Syndrome controversy, the Army did medical histories, to include blood samples for that purpose, prior to deployment--gives the docs a baseline to help in diagnosis after deployment.

[LibKill]

There may be something else at work here.

Before I went overseas I was scheduled for a LOT of innoculations. I got the Yellow Fever vaccine, but they were out of Plauge vaccine. I was sent to the mainside hospital.

The head nurse (a real battle-ax at least 30 years service) took one look at my chit and called the poor Lt.Jg who wrote it.

"Lieutenant, did you write this Marine for a Plauge shot?"

"And has he already had a Yellow Fever shot today?"

"LISTEN TO ME YOU LITTLE SHIKEPOKE!!! I'VE BEEN GIVING SHOTS SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE A GLEAM IN YOUR FATHER'S EYE!! IF YOU GAVE HIM PLAUGE AND YELLOW FEVER IN THE SAME DAY IT WOULD KILL HIM YOU INCOMPETENT LITTLE ----- ---- ----ING -----!"

I never did get the plauge shot.

[sarasmom]

This father has a valid point.
One of the most important records a military member is required to keep very current is the "shot record".
But I personally never felt warm and fuzzie about the number and types of shots I was required to undergo.And that was many years ago, before people started questioning the vaccinations,and before I saw the pallet of flu vaccine boxes at a base hospital that was stamped EXPERIMENTAL-NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION.(or words to that effect, it has been a while, and the exact wording may be off regarding the word consumption).
If the correct drug cocktail can cure or prolong life, it makes perfect sence that an incorrect cocktail can cause extreme health problems and/or death.
OTOH, I am fully aware that the term "acceptable attrition ratio" is a neccesary component in military decisions at all levels.
Catch 22.
I only have a layman's knowledge of vaccines and drugs,but the father in this acticle makes a very valid point.

[Domestic Church]

"There may be something else at work here."

Sounds like the peter principle has become deadly in the military's vaccine protocol.

Now I wonder how many will die too early due to a delayed effect of over vaccination.

[LibKill]

Now I wonder how many will die too early due to a delayed effect of over vaccination.

In living creatures the effects of vaccination, this, that, and the other damned thing are unpredictable.

It will take someone smarter than me to sort all this out.

I will end by saying that just possibly those cases of pneumonia in Iraq were caused by silicosis, or allergies.

God alone knows (and he does not talk to me).

Our brave fighting men (and women) deserve our best efforts.

When you send someone to fight for you, you must give them the best weapons you have. And if all you have is a pile of rocks, you owe them every rock in the pile.

G. Gordon Liddy

[sarasmom]

Well your experience was certainly more dramatic than mine!
I recall an emergency mandatory Wing Commanders Call, where our wing commander countermanded the order to all base personnel, by the base commander, to undergo a mandatory "flu" vaccination.
He described it as entirely optional, and not reccomended.
I, and most of the Wing, would have "killed" for that Bird.

[LibKill]

Well your experience was certainly more dramatic than mine!

The language was also more dramatic than I have described here. I don't want to get banned. :)

Nonetheless, that old battleaxe nurse saved my sorry life. If I ever saw her again I would give her dinner, dancing (I HATE dancing) and flowers.

[Rennes Templar]

As an alternative health professional, I am one of many who are skeptical of all vaccines. There are several movements in the US that warn of the dangers of vaccines.
The underlying factor that determines the type of reaction to a vaccine is the quality and quantity of the specific immune response in the receiver of vaccine (host).
The military vaccines, such as anthrax, are particularly challenging to the hosts nervous system, due to their experimental nature. If the hosts immune system is not strong enough to create an appropriate response,ie sensitivity to the antigen, then the vaccine simply becomes a poison in the body, affecting the host system most vulnerable to its toxicity.
My 12 yr old daughter, in robust health, has had no vaccines. (She has had non-toxic homeopathic nosodes).

[Domestic Church]

I am also concerned about those with very strong immune systems and genetic predispositions over reacting to these combo military vaccinations and developing severe autoimmue disease.

I'm not for eliminating all vaccines but I have always delayed for several months (until weight and height were in the very upper range of the norm) the normal pediatric ones for my children. With some of the new ones coming out I have religious conflict.