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Sorry, all I am seeing from the vast majority here is a hand out and shouts of "gimme gimme" - nothing more nothing less. The tactics are no different from those used by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. We treat the Jackson-Sharpton shakdowns (that is what they are) with contempt.

To call disagreement about government poklicy that has resulted in a loss of jobs over the past months whinning is a bit extreme IMHO. Now as I said previously if you wish to discuss issues and not call names "Whinner", Jackson-Sharpton lets discuss the issues obf what is currently called "Free Trade." Lets discuss OPIC. Lets discuss currency controls including those in India and China. Lets discuss providing an exemnption arround immigration laws for guest workers. Lets discuss 50% Chinese tariffs. or perhaps you would care to dicuss some other issues like non tariff barriers to American products.

It is also not unusual to have discussions of the history of tariffs in the USA and economic theories of Free Trade suchas that propounded by Riccardo. There are even some who have tried to bring forth the theories ofd Bastiat and an anti Constitutionalist stand. All of these can be dealt with fairly and reasonably.

Now, why should I hold the whiners here to a different standard?

Whiners again if this keeps up then you will be guilty of name caling when invited to participate in a reasonable discussion.

I ask everyone here for outsourcing all of IT to a foreign country the following questions.

1. What are you going to do when all of the IT people, highly paid living in good areas near you turn their house
over to the bank and devalue the property of your home.
2. What are you going to do when all of the IT people, highly paid, driving nice cars, turn their new car back to the dealer and cause a glut of new cars on the market thus putting more engineers and auto workers out of business and pushing the value of automotive stock down.
3. What are you going to do when all of the IT people, highly paid, pay lots of taxes, are no longer contributing to the bottom line of your community and the city where you live starts laying off their staff, not fixing roads, not keeping your parks clean, etc.
and it goes on and on and on.... If the average IT workers makes 60k a year, he probably pays 1/3 of that in taxes, take 2 million people out of the US economy each paying 20k a year in taxes and you have a problem, especially with all the old folks taking the SocSec and medicare and the fact that they outnumber the younger generation 2 to 1. I see trouble on the horizon.

I've watched these threads - and I'm just calling it as I see it.

And I see a lot of "Free Traitor" shouts on the outsourcing threads. I've seen the columns, and to be quite honest, I see it as nothing more than a shakedown that might be politically-correct for a group of people - in this case, computer programmers - who expect the rest of us to pay more so they can be subsidized.

I don't like that attitude, and I don't care who is espousing that entitlement mentality - be it Paul Craig Roberts or Jesse Jackson. I am EQUALLY disgusted with both of them.