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To: Fifth Business
Actually, I think that you will find that the Methodist Church was infected by the mass liberalism and then homosexual pastors first and on a larger scale than in the Episcopal Churches.

Up to now we have had the power to select our priests and to recommend the firing of them if necessary.

The Methodist members have no such choices. They are told who their minister is. That minister has total power over the congregation. Out here on the West Coast, they are infected with very hostile lesbian ministers.

A standard move by a new clipped haired and mean lesbo minister is to donate their new Church's hall as a day care center for the homeless. This means that the members who bought and paid for the church are often banned from using their meeting hall for their meetings.

Then, these halls become sites for drug dealers and drug deals. Property value around the church's tumble with the daily invasion of these so called homeless.

My 88 year old mother in law has been a life long Methodist in the midwest. She has had two of these lesbians as ministers in her church. Now, she wants nothing to do with the church and them.
34 posted on 08/08/2003 7:19:15 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end," said Uday)
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To: Grampa Dave
My 88 year old mother in law has been a life long Methodist in the midwest. She has had two of these lesbians as ministers in her church. Now, she wants nothing to do with the church and them.

It's both very sad and an outrage, especially for those whose loved ones are buried in the church cemetery and whose names have been part of the church rolls for decades.

37 posted on 08/08/2003 7:34:09 AM PDT by Fifth Business
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To: Grampa Dave
"I think that you will find that the Methodist Church was infected by the mass liberalism and then homosexual pastors first and on a larger scale than in the Episcopal Churches."

I believe you are right. There was a time when I was living in Colorado and Bishop William Frey, a spirit-filled man of God, was our bishop, that I held out hope for our resistance of the abomination of homosexuality becoming prevalent in our church. I saw homosexuals called to repentance and saw the outright rejection of those who sought the priesthood, or even the deaconate, at least if they wished to find support in the local parishes. Like you, I saw the growing trend, and while for a time I held out hope, I knew it was really not a matter of "if" but "when." I said back then that if/when that time came I could no longer in clear conscience associate myself with the church that has always nurtured my spiritual life, but it makes the reality no less painful. In a way, it is like being disowned or betrayed by a parent. This is a time when brothers and sisters who find ourselves in the same boat need to find strength in each other.

56 posted on 08/08/2003 8:34:52 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Grampa Dave
Do the Methodists own their buildings, etc. or does that belong to their diocese as well.

Now the Episcopal church does get to select its own Priests. We are currently in that process, but we don't own our property. As I understand it, the Dallas diocese owns it. Fortunately the Dallas diocese is (sort of) conservative and we have a very conservative Bishop.

He spent himself fighting the good fight against Spong and had to go on a year's sabbatical. I think he is reluctant to take up political causes again, but now he feels he must.
124 posted on 08/08/2003 10:57:46 AM PDT by altura (Despite many embarrassments, I steadfastly refuse to preview.)
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