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Woman going to trial disputes state's validity (update on breast-feeding driver)
Cleveland Plain-Dealer ^ | 8/4/03 | Steve Luttner

Posted on 08/07/2003 3:36:42 PM PDT by TomB

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Some of my liberal freinds tell my I'm an extremist. Thank you Catherine and Brad for proving them wrong. With people like you out there, I'm a normal, well-adjusted (gun toting) member of society. ;-)
1 posted on 08/07/2003 3:36:43 PM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB; mhking; hchutch
Barnhill said Donkers was a resident of Michigan when she was arrested.

But she was residing in Pennsylvania with her husband.

BTW, this woman's husband came on FR a few months ago defending her actions, and he makes her sound sane.

2 posted on 08/07/2003 3:39:17 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Catspaw; Poohbah; Howlin; mhking; justshe; dighton; RgnadKzin
***ping***

Gee, I hope Brad comes back.

3 posted on 08/07/2003 3:39:46 PM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
You made me spit on my monitor........LOL.

(I do, too!)
4 posted on 08/07/2003 3:40:52 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: TomB
There was another thread about this last night.........I'll see if I can find it.
5 posted on 08/07/2003 3:41:34 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Poohbah
BTW, this woman's husband came on FR a few months ago defending her actions, and he makes her sound sane.

God, what a fun thread.

I miss all the fun.....

6 posted on 08/07/2003 3:41:47 PM PDT by TomB
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A public defender, lawyer John Laczko, has been assigned to represent Donkers. Laczko declined to comment last week.

I'll just bet he did. What's he gonna say..."Why me?"

7 posted on 08/07/2003 3:46:35 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Poohbah
I'm surprised. He'd have to REGISTER to post here!
8 posted on 08/07/2003 3:47:36 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: TomB
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/959378/posts
9 posted on 08/07/2003 3:48:01 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: tsmith130
He did.
10 posted on 08/07/2003 3:50:38 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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I'm surprised. He'd have to REGISTER to post here!

Good point! I bet Jim is tracking him right now in the official Free Republic Black Helicopter.

Here is my favorite quote:

    "You don't know that the woman who gave birth to you is really the woman you know as your mother," Barnhill told a reporter.

I think it's safe to say the old Brad has a "thing" about "womenfolk".

11 posted on 08/07/2003 3:51:54 PM PDT by TomB
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I think that was the funniest thread I've ever seen. Amazing, just amazing.
12 posted on 08/07/2003 3:54:58 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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To: Howlin
Thanks for the link, but I'm still plowing through the first thread.

Here's another quote:

    "Just like we don't need permission to get married, why should I need permission from the state to use my property on the road?" Barnhill said.

On whose road, Brad?

13 posted on 08/07/2003 3:56:06 PM PDT by TomB
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Thought you might enjoy this.
14 posted on 08/07/2003 4:00:30 PM PDT by TomB
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It just gets better and better. The cruise control is a nice touch:

Woman says husband directed her to nurse baby while driving

By M.R. KROPKO
The Associated Press
8/7/03 6:37 PM

RAVENNA, Ohio (AP) -- A woman on trial for breast-feeding her baby while driving on the Ohio Turnpike testified Thursday that she nursed behind the wheel because her husband told her to do it.

Catherine Nicole Donkers, 29, said she had stopped earlier on May 8 at a highway rest stop and fed cereal to her 7-month-old daughter. Donkers said she realized the baby was still hungry after she got back on the road, headed to Michigan from Pennsylvania.

"I called my husband, and he directed me to continue on, to drive to Michigan and nurse my child in the car. We did not feel we were breaking any law," Donkers said. "I had the cruise control on at 65 mph."

Donkers, who is representing herself on several misdemeanor charges, called herself to the witness stand and talked Thursday afternoon for more than an hour in Portage County Municipal Court.

Breast-feeding while driving "certainly isn't a primary choice as a form of feeding my child," she said. "I certainly had no intent to harm my child. I never would."

Closing arguments were scheduled for Friday.

Prosecutor Sean Scahill asked Donkers if she had to use her hands to move the baby while the car was moving. At first, she said no but then said she moved the child from one side to another.

"I used both hands. For a very short time I did. It took me approximately all of a quarter of a second," she said.

Brad Lee Barnhill has said he told his wife to nurse while driving to save time.

"I directed you to do what I thought was in your best interest," Barnhill told Donkers when he testified earlier Thursday.

On Wednesday, Barnhill was denied his request to stand in for his wife at the trial. The couple belongs to a religious group they say requires Barnhill to be responsible for punishing Donkers.

Barnhill, 46, said he and Donkers were in constant communication as she drove. She was stopped after a trucker called 911 to report he had seen a woman driver holding a baby on her lap.

Donkers refused to pull over for three miles as a state trooper pursued her. When she eventually stopped at a Streetsboro toll booth, troopers said she refused to cooperate until she called her husband for permission.

The couple says Donkers did not stop immediately because she didn't realize right away she was being followed and she wanted to stop at a public place because she had been assaulted by police before.

State Highway Patrol Sgt. Michael A. Harmon testified that Donkers handed over what appeared to be a homemade Pennsylvania identification card instead of a driver's license.

Donkers -- a member of an obscure religious sect that maintains that driver's licenses should not be required -- described the card as an affidavit, Harmon said.

The couple -- who lack a marriage license but claim to be married -- belong to the First Christian Fellowship for Eternal Sovereignty, which has a history of challenging state laws.

The organization, which pledges allegiance to Jesus Christ, was founded in Henderson, Nev., in the 1990s. Barnhill says he is a minister in the fellowship with 650 followers.

Donkers is charged with misdemeanor counts of child endangering, driving without a license, failure to use child restraint equipment and operating a vehicle while willfully alluding or fleeing police.

A conviction for misdemeanor child endangering carries maximum penalties of six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.

Barnhill said the couple was living temporarily in Pittsburgh for work, but Donkers was a resident of Livonia, Mich., when arrested. Child restraint laws in Michigan exempt nursing babies, which the couple says should clear Donkers.

Barnhill told the judge he recently took a job in Los Angeles with a company that pays him 25 ounces of gold per month, which he estimated to be worth $8,500 to $9,000.

15 posted on 08/07/2003 4:06:49 PM PDT by Catspaw
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BWHAAAHAAA!!!!

Barnhill told the judge he recently took a job in Los Angeles with a company that pays him 25 ounces of gold per month, which he estimated to be worth $8,500 to $9,000.

Would that be Mexican or Hawaiian Gold?

16 posted on 08/07/2003 4:09:45 PM PDT by TomB
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To: TomB
Amen !

17 posted on 08/07/2003 4:11:28 PM PDT by genefromjersey (So little time - so many FLAMES to light !!)
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To: TomB
She questions whether the state has the right to make individuals meet seemingly basic requirements such as obtaining driver's licenses and marriage certificates.

Yeah, ha.

I was raised out in the sticks and around relatives that swore the state of Texas didn’t have the authority to require license plates, driver licenses, registered vehicles … a bunch of things.

It’s sort of fun if you’re young and live like a hobo and have nothing better to do. It all turns out to be BS though.

They can require you to have a driver license. You cannot make your own license plate. They can detain you for failure to identify.

They can give you a citation requiring you to pay a fine or appear in court. If you do not appear in court they can issue a warrant for failure to appear in court. They typically don’t come after you for just one, but eventually they will arrest you and hold you until you do appear in court.

Claiming to be a sovereign citizen of the Republic of Texas doesn’t buy you any leeway.

I didn’t have anything better to do at the time but I did learn to recognize stupid people when they start their s---house lawyering. I can spot them a mile away now.

18 posted on 08/07/2003 4:11:53 PM PDT by Who dat?
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The lady needs autopilot, not cruise control...
19 posted on 08/07/2003 4:13:40 PM PDT by general_re ("And just like that...he's gone..." - Verbal Kint)
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To: TomB
These people are just messed up.
20 posted on 08/07/2003 4:15:50 PM PDT by discostu (the train that won't stop going, no way to slow down)
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