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To: chimera
I've been trying to express my feelings on this for a while and words have failed me. You have just provided the very words that express my concerns.

I'm only 27, but I have a real engineering degree in computer engineering from Purdue [B.S.CmpE '98]. I did not get into this field for the dot-com buzz, and I'm not some uberhacker that can write code, but thinks its a waste of time to due a failure mode analysis, or to document the design properly. At every turn, all software related work is going overseas. First it was just testing, then it was customer support, then it was embedded (my main field) and more application software.

I'm not afraid to retrain, but what do you retrain in? I saw an article recently that architecture was going overseas, and even low level lawyer work is being done overseas and shipped back for a bar certified lawyer to sign off on.

Luckily, I'm still employed in my chosen profession, but my company is continually scrambling to adapt to the situation. The way things are going, one day the music is going to stop, and I won't have a seat.


I'm glad that people with more letters after then name than I have see the problem the same as I do.
100 posted on 08/07/2003 9:37:29 AM PDT by ChromeDome
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To: ChromeDome
I'm glad that people with more letters after then name than I have see the problem the same as I do.

Don't worry, many of us in the so-called "ivory towers" see the problem. I just don't know how to fix it. I break my hump teaching kids some pretty exotic stuff. Many of them do very well. They are honest, hardworking students who have done everything right. Trouble is, when they get out there, the system has told them sorry, we have nothing for you. Then some people say, tough luck you should have learned a trade, or get retraining, or whatever. Well, thank you very much! Just what we want to hear when we've done just what we've been told to do, go to school, get a good education, better yourself, etc. Learn a trade? What, after spending four, or six, or eight years getting a degree to hopefully do better than that? Get retrained? You said it, retrained to do what? Get more education? Cripes, a guy spends eight years after high school getting a Ph.D. and then he's told he needs education? Give me a freakin' break here.

So, don't worry, bro-ham, we recognize the problem. Some of us have proposed solutions (actually hopes and wishes, but government and business doesn't seem to want to listen), but in the face of $1/hr programmers in India and some job that Sanjay Badabingavishnu can do for one-third the cost of domestic talent (even if the job he does is crap), its a hard sell.

153 posted on 08/07/2003 10:47:53 AM PDT by chimera
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