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To: Noachian
We fought a two theater war in WW2 without a Patriot Act, and there were spies and saboteurs walking our streets at that time.

Good grief! The Patriot Act doesn't take us nearly back to the power the Feds had then. Read up on FDR's Department of Justice and his sedition trials. He had concentration camps for crying out loud. The Patriot Act is nothing compared to what the Feds were able to do in the 1930s and 1940s. Truman had Soviet citizens at Ft. Dix, NJ marched under armed guard to be shipped back to the Soviet Union. When they tried to sabotage the ship taking them back, they were beaten and drugged. Those Ashcroft has detained have had far more due process than suspected criminals and even non-criminals had under FDR and Truman.

11 posted on 08/06/2003 4:18:07 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
The Patriot Act doesn't take us nearly back to the power the Feds had then. Read up on FDR's Department of Justice and his sedition trials.

That doesn't change the fact that it's an un-American POS and it's written into law.

I repeat, it's an un-American POS.

14 posted on 08/06/2003 4:36:01 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: DPB101
Truman had Soviet citizens at Ft. Dix, NJ marched under armed guard to be shipped back to the Soviet Union. When they tried to sabotage the ship taking them back, they were beaten and drugged.

Operation Keelhaul. Looking for a good link here...

26 posted on 08/06/2003 5:12:57 PM PDT by secretagent
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