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Get Back! The Gathering Storm Over Gay Rights
The Village Voice ^ | August 6, 2003 | Richard Goldstein

Posted on 08/06/2003 12:47:29 PM PDT by NYer

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"This campaign is going to be about much more than freedom to marry," says NGLTF's Matt Foreman. "It's going to be about the demonization of our people, and about legislating our second-class citizenship forever.

When it's war, it's war for everyone.

1 posted on 08/06/2003 12:47:30 PM PDT by NYer
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To: mhking; Liz; american colleen; sinkspur; livius; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; ...
For the first time since 1997, a majority think being gay is not an "acceptable alternative lifestyle." And when it comes to civil unions, the trend towardacceptance has been reversed.

And if they keep pushing their agenda down our throats, those numbers will continue to shrivel up.

2 posted on 08/06/2003 12:52:59 PM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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I think it's quite possible that the gays will push things so much that, as Sen. Phil Graham said of Democrats, "in five years, we'll be hunting queers with dogs"

I don't mean literally hunting queers down, but what we may see over the next ten years is (1) strict anti-chickenhawk laws, with life imprisonment for adults molesting same sex adolescents, (2) bans on homosexuals in any profession involving contact with children (police, education, social work, church work), (3) bans on open gays in the military, and (4) strict laws against public displays of affection, as well as a Federal Marriage Amendment.

Actually, I believe in tolerance of homosexuals, but I would enact all of the foregoing if I had the ability to do so.

3 posted on 08/06/2003 1:13:18 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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"The good news is that a majority of young people still support this cause."

Which is why they push this acceptance/tolerance agenda in the schools!

"TV shows featuring well-heeled, happy homos feed the perception that gays are doing fine—so why should they qualify for "special" rights?

Is this finally an admission that they do want special, not equal rights?

"...gays to talk about their pain—it's considered wussy these days."

Why should everyone else be blackmailed into accepting a lifestyl that makes peiple suicidal, gives them pain and makes them miserable? What a misnomer the word "gay" is when read in the context of supposed pain, suicide and 'oppression.'

Isn't the author the same Goldstein who blathered on during the impeachment trials that this was only about Clinton's sex life?
4 posted on 08/06/2003 1:14:17 PM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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I agree,keep pushing your lifestyle on me,any lifestyle,and I'm going to rear up and fight back.

The backlash has arrived,and no surprise either.


5 posted on 08/06/2003 1:15:16 PM PDT by Mears
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Fight the millitant homosexuals....see: www.twistedsix.com
6 posted on 08/06/2003 1:20:28 PM PDT by diamond6 ("Everyone who is for abortion HAS been born." Ronald Reagan)
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It's going to be about the demonization of our people, and about legislating our second-class citizenship forever.

And the problem with this is......?????
The sexually dysfunctional should seek medical help. Someone should invent a straight pill. They have a pill for every other mental disorder.

7 posted on 08/06/2003 1:21:33 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("He who controls communications rules the world." - Adolf Hitler)
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I hope this is not the main issue in the 2004 elections, we need the war on Islamunism to be at the forefront of voter's minds.

All of you who think a backlash is a good thing politically would do well to reflect on the 1976 Presidential election, the first one held since the infamous 1973 Roe v. Wade abortion decision. I saw some heavy backlash back then, but it didn't stop Jimmah from coming out of nowhere and being elected.

8 posted on 08/06/2003 1:22:55 PM PDT by hunter112
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This author is deluded with his little pitty party. For such a tiny % of the population the queer lobby has a tremendoous amount of muscle.
9 posted on 08/06/2003 1:24:29 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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I hope this is not the main issue in the 2004 elections

I think the main issue will be national security. This will be, though, in the minds of the moral Americans. We should not let this issue die. Most people "tolerate" sodomites "if they keep it in their own bedrooms." Once it goes past that, and they want people to see them as "equal", then people strongly object. Not all people are as mentally ill as sodomites, and don't like being called "the same." Being refered to as "equal" by the sexually dysfunctional is belittling.

10 posted on 08/06/2003 1:27:53 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("He who controls communications rules the world." - Adolf Hitler)
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This author is deluded with his little pitty party. For such a tiny % of the population the queer lobby has a tremendoous amount of muscle money to buy the churches and politicians.

I'll bet much of it comes from communist and dictorial nations who wish to see America fall from within.

11 posted on 08/06/2003 1:31:19 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("He who controls communications rules the world." - Adolf Hitler)
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SCOTUS
Activist judges usurping the legislative process
12 posted on 08/06/2003 1:36:16 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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BUMP
13 posted on 08/06/2003 1:42:20 PM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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If they ever legalize Homosexual Marriages, I would like to have the rights to create a reality show "Gay Divorce Court". What an enlightening bit of programming that would be, and lots of Laughs.
14 posted on 08/06/2003 1:42:44 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Save Traditional Marriage -- It's for the Children!)
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An interesting point, but perhaps not as you think. Jimmy Carter represented the first major push of the evangelicals in politics. Carter was a Southern Baptist and evangelical ministers all over the country were urging their members to support Carter over the Eastern establishment type Ford. It was probably the evangelical support, conservative voters who would otherwise have supported a Republican, that elected Carter. Carter did campaign as the liberal he was. He campaigned as the outsider, and many were concerned he was too much a fundamentalist. His 'lusted in his heart' interview in playboy give the left fits, and his admonition to government employees living in sin to get married (early in his presidency) did not go over well with mainline types.
15 posted on 08/06/2003 1:48:16 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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Pro-gays winning CNN poll here:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/30/bush.gay.marriage/index.html

Any computer-savvy tell us whether it's a "fixed" poll for which the libs are noted?
16 posted on 08/06/2003 1:56:56 PM PDT by Spirited
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For the first time since 1997, a majority think being gay is not an "acceptable alternative lifestyle." And when it comes to civil unions, the trend towardacceptance has been reversed.

And if they keep pushing their agenda down our throats, those numbers will continue to shrivel up.

That is the way I feel as well. We have accepted their lifestyle, but are tired of it being shoved down our throats. The love that "dare not speak its name" is now shouting in our face. Every where you turn its gay this and gay that. You can't watch a night of television without having it mentioned (BTW - I give that "my 2 dad's" sitcom a full month before its pulled).

17 posted on 08/06/2003 2:20:01 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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I hope this is not the main issue in the 2004 elections, we need the war on Islamunism to be at the forefront of voter's minds.

It won't be the main issue (terrorism, defense, and the economy), but it will be a major one in the realm of social issues. Can you imagine Dubya and the dem nominee standing in a deabte and the democrat saying "I am for gay marraige". He/she will alienate the entire generation of seniors and good amount of blue collar union workers who go to church.

18 posted on 08/06/2003 2:26:05 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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Once people absorb change, they relax—or so activists with a sense of history believe.

The LEFT moves its agenda forward by incrementalism. If Christians and conservatives continue to bring a knife to a gunfight, they'll continue to lose. Christians and conservatives have no stomach for the fight that is necessary nor do they have any idea of the depths of depravity the LEFT will sink to in order to gain power and control over other people's lives. The penultimate goal of the LEFT being, complete and total control over your thoughts and your life by an elite LEFTIST cadre.


19 posted on 08/06/2003 2:38:40 PM PDT by pyx
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Again, it is the excess is never enough attitude. Feminists screeched for on demand abortion - dividing the country. By pushing the limits to on demand during the final trimester, multiple abortions and pressing that young girls not discuss abortion visits with their parents, Feminists now have a backlash.

We went from desegrating schools to schools which cater to segragation in the name of diversity.

People really had no problem with what went on behind closed doors of other adults. However, pushing the homosexual/trans-everything lifestyle into school curricula, literally having sexual parades on city streets, overturning religious doctrine and demanding special legal rights ensures a backlash.

It is all because with liberals excess is never enough.
20 posted on 08/06/2003 2:43:23 PM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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