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Robinson ambush / The anatomy of a smear
Minneapolis Star Tribune ^ | August 6, 2003 | Editorial

Posted on 08/06/2003 3:10:28 AM PDT by tdadams

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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA; Emmylou
LOL LA.

That is so true, now just wait till teens come home from retreat or tots from Sunday School with questions for mom and dad that mom and dad are not reay to answer.

41 posted on 08/06/2003 10:38:27 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Save Traditional Marriage -- It's for the Children!)
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To: george wythe
george,

Thank you for posting the articles. Have you seen this website www.outright.org of which Robinson was the co-founder?

It's charter says:

"Outright's mission is to create safe, positive, and affirming environments for young gay, lesbian, bisexual, trans, and questioning people ages 22 and under. Outright aspires to a youth-driven philosophy in which youth needs and beliefs form decisions, and a collaboration of youth and adults provides support, education, advocacy, and social activities."

There is a reason why homosexual predators target the young: their naivete is more easily exploited while at the same time their youthfulness enhances the predators lust. It is tragic that these people are devouring the helpless and the innocent under the guise of an "affirming environment." That the board chose to ignore this is a pox on their souls.

42 posted on 08/06/2003 10:43:05 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: george wythe
All the major news outlets have posted plenty of details about this. For easy reference, I have placed several excerpts on this thread.

All you say? Well that is a nice back handed slap. I've seen all your pastings on this thread and you have done good work. You get a Gold Star. However I was referencing this Editorial which wasn't as diligent as you. Your ad hominem pastings from other source George are great, but stick with a href="...?

Now the problem is that even with your best Mainstream Media sourcing, its still doesn't answer my challenge, that given the seriousness of the matters, we must investigate. After all that was the litmus set forth on Clarence Thomas, the sexual harrassment charges were less concrete from Anita Hill than this Lewis-and we had Congressional Hearings! This disappeared in less than a day, with everyone involved gleefully dismissing it as a misunderstanding about "touching."

At the very least the Episcopal Church should have taken the moral high ground and made him get counciling to know that gays in their church should not be holding arms of men unasked for.

But if an objective observer was looking for "moral high ground" the Episcopal church is the last place they would look to.

43 posted on 08/06/2003 10:45:44 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock on October 7, 2003!)
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To: SkyPilot
As much as I disagree with the aims of the website www.outright.org, I also disagree with using dirty tricks to win a political vote.

An eleventh-hour accusation not supported by any solid facts is not the proper way to deal with this issue.

Galatians 6:7 "A man reaps what he sows."

Next time a conservative bishop is up for election, a liberal activist will claim that the bishop touched him on his arm and call that "sexual harassment."

Or another liberal activist will reveal that the bishop belongs to conservative group that in its web site has a link to an exterior link to another exterior link to a racist website.

How many degrees of separation?

44 posted on 08/06/2003 10:55:39 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: SkyPilot
Editorial are not facts, they are by definition opinion.

Show me where I said otherwise, hothead.

This is not an independent "investigation", this is what is known as a "cover up."

How can there be a cover up when there's nothing to cover up? Unless you think a pastor touching you on the arm (in a public setting where that kind of touch would in no way be considered inappropriate) is sexual harassment, this is obviously overblown and baseless. How much time would you spend investigating such nonsense?

45 posted on 08/06/2003 10:55:47 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
All you say? Well that is a nice back handed slap

Yes dear, all major news outlets: the 3 broadcast news networks, the 3 major cable news channels, plus all the major newspapers in this country, from the Washington Post to the NY Times.

I did not intend to offend your weak sensibilities by alerting you to the news articles; I thought you were interested in the details.

46 posted on 08/06/2003 11:00:38 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: george wythe
I did not intend to offend your weak sensibilities by alerting you to the news articles; I thought you were interested in the details.

I understand that the Mainstream Media is all over this, you get another cookie. I said "All you say?" since it did not show up in the Editorial we are posting on. Pay attention.

The "dear" part could be far more offensive (and revolting) given the subject matter. Its certainly close to an inappropriate comment George. Luckily I'm not as offendable as you said, I find your histrionics kinda funny.

47 posted on 08/06/2003 11:11:29 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock on October 7, 2003!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
I find your histrionics kinda funny

Thank you. I had a smile in my face when I posted that comment to you; I'm glad you found it funny.

48 posted on 08/06/2003 11:15:51 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: tdadams
From your profile:

I admire a well reasoned argument, but have little patience for irrational emotionalism, unsubstantiated allegations, ad hominems, hyperbole, hysteria, or obfuscation.

Now go back and re-read what you have typed today. That is your assignment.

49 posted on 08/06/2003 11:16:20 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
What point exactly are you trying to make? You're engaging in at least three of the six behaviors I said I have little patience for.
50 posted on 08/06/2003 11:20:44 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: SkyPilot
Now go back and re-read what you have typed today. That is your assignment.

LOL! Well he said that because he is admiring those, not that he is capable!

"it also depends on what you definition of is is."

51 posted on 08/06/2003 11:21:58 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock on October 7, 2003!)
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To: george wythe
Galatians 6:7 "A man reaps what he sows."

Absolutely.

Next time a conservative bishop is up for election, a liberal activist will claim that the bishop touched him on his arm and call that "sexual harassment."

They very well may do so. It is par for the course. I am not convinced that Robinson's hands are clean on this as has been reported. I agree with you that 11th hour accusations being launched appears quite unseemly. It all is so "Anita-Hill-ish." What bothers me more is his dumping his wife for a homosexual lover, his rejection of scripture, his co-founding a website that targets impressionable youth, and his advocacy of "reason" over the word of the Lord.

52 posted on 08/06/2003 11:24:20 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Emmylou
Imagine! A web site that was only a few links from a porn site! Only a FEW links! Why, it proves the bishop-elect is just as bad as Larry Flynt!

/sarcasm.

I found this charge particularly hilarious considering the purpose of Robinson's organization - recruiting Episcopalians under 22 into the homosexual lifestyle.

Also hilarious was the whole "inappropriate touching" charge when the Bible states clearly that what he and his partner do is about the ultimate in inappropriate touching.

It reminded me of the scene in Ghostbusters where the three guys have totally trashed the room and Venkman jerks a tablecloth and says "And the flowers are still standing !", apparently not noticing that everything else was smashed.

For the bishops to hold up Robinsons vote over such trivia was truly "swallowing camels while straining at gnats".

53 posted on 08/06/2003 11:25:50 AM PDT by jimt
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To: jazzlite
After a lifelong commitment to a religious denomination, I stopped going to church about two years ago because of this factor.

Denominationalism is wrong. Apostle Paul denounced it, but people relish in this pretend Christianity.

And no, being a Christian isn't a solo thing. But then, most people who think they are Christians have never really heard the gospel, just bits and pieces here and there. They know some facts about Christianity, but they really don't know the relevant particulars. That is why they think they can be a solo Christian. They know something is wrong with organized religion, but they don't have enough knowledge to understand it.

54 posted on 08/06/2003 11:32:25 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: SkyPilot
go back and re-read what you have typed today

Better yet, instead of baselessly alleging that I've done any of those things, why don't you bother to show me an example.

55 posted on 08/06/2003 11:34:06 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: SkyPilot
What bothers me more is his dumping his wife for a homosexual lover, his rejection of scripture

That's very troublesome for me also.

A bishop must be a Christian of impeccable qualifications, as clearly stated in the Scriptures.

There is no right to be a leader in Christ's church, even if He forgives all our sins. Only exceptional men with very orthodox lifestyles should come near being a bishop.

Even if this bishop had married a second wife (woman), he should not be a leader in the church, since he was not faithful to his original vows.

56 posted on 08/06/2003 11:40:12 AM PDT by george wythe
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