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[jethropalerobber]

I know many LDS folk who've shared their testimonies with me. Many of their doctrines are so non-scriptural in basis that I don't think it can actually call itself a Church that preaches salvation only through Christ.

living in utah, i know many LDS folk as well and i'm pretty familiar with their faith. i can understand why their cosmology causes some mainline christians to hold them apart, but i can see no basis for your saying that they do not preach salvation only through chirst. why do you say that?

[jethropalerobber]

99.99%

the 2000 census puts it quite a bit less than that.

[egomeimihi]

I wasn't aware they included the dead in the census. Besides, I was engaging in hyperbole and invective in response to a poster who merely wanted to disrupt.

[Outer Limits]

1Co 11:19
For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

[CAPPSMADNESS]

And a Rich Mullins BUMP (and thread BUMP) back to you!

[colorado tanker]

It really is sad. The liberals are willing to split and destroy great denominations, all for the sake of a tiny minority who insist on rejecting Biblical teaching, the overwheliming majority of whom are secular and would have nothing to do with orgainized religion in the first place.

[MEGoody]

It seems that something red will be very popular in the Episcopal church now, but it won't be just necks.

[the lone haranguer]

All due respect to the Catholic church, but you are not alone on this one. THe LCMS stands firmly against this as well. There are several other well-documented examples in the news of the last few days which would also indicate otherwise.

[Reagan is King]

Homosexuality: What Does God Say About It?

http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/contempry/hompbia1.htm

The first reference to homosexuality in Scripture is in the infamous account of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 19. The wickedness of the men of that city is obvious and is of such a severe nature that it brought divine destruction upon the entire city. Both Peter and Jude make reference to it and describe the sin of homosexuality as " ungodly, lawless, unnatural and extreme immorality" (see 2 Peter 2:6, 8; Jude 7).

In Leviticus 18:22 and 24 homosexuality is described as an "abomination" and "defiling." It is reprehensible and unclean.

In Leviticus 20:13 it is again described as an "abomination" but here as one worthy of the death penalty!

Deuteronomy 23:17 forbade the presence of a "sodomite" in the land of Israel.

An incident similar to that of Sodom and Gomorrah is seen again in Judges 19. Again the sin of homosexuality is described as "wickedness."

In 1 Kings 14, 15, and 22 the removal of male prostitutes from the land of Israel is viewed as a sign of much-needed spiritual reformation.

The prohibition in Deuteronomy 22:5 of women wearing men's clothing appears to be a specific condemnation of transvestism.

In Romans 1:18-32 the apostle Paul condemns the practice in the severest terms. Homosexuality is "unclean," "impure," "dishonoring to the body," "vile," "degrading / disgraceful," "contrary to nature," "unseemly/ obscene," "improper activity of a depraved mind," "unrighteous," "wicked," etc. Of particular importance to the apostle in this passage is the fact that homosexuality is "unnatural"--contrary to nature. In other words, nature itself teaches that the practice is wrong; we all know it intuitively. Homosexuality is, then, a particularly rebellious sin.

In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 the apostle Paul speaks of homosexuals as "effeminate" and "abusers of themselves with mankind" who "shall not inherit the kingdom of God." The terms he uses here seem to be specific references to both active and the passive participants in a homosexual relationship. Such people are "unrighteous," he says, and if they remain in that practice they will be condemned.

From all this we can draw at least the following three conclusions:

1) Homosexuality is contrary to Scripture. There is no way to speak of any kind of acceptable or "Christian" homosexuality. There is never any allowance for it. It is never anything but sinful.

2) Homosexuality is contrary to nature. It is a particularly rebellious sin, a violation even of one's own conscience.

3) Homosexuality is worthy of severe judgment. The Mosaic law prescribed the death penalty for this sin. The apostle Paul specified that such people have excluded themselves from the salvation that is in Christ Jesus and are headed toward condemnation.

[freebilly]

I don't know enough the LDS faith, but it seems that belief in Christ is not enough for eternal life. Belief in Christ, in my understanding of Mormon Doctrine, gets one physically resurrected in order that one can work and earn eternal life.

I may be wrong here, but it seems to me that the person of Christ has a different relationship with both sinner and the Father than in "mainstream" Christian denominations.

[utahagen]

I'm Catholic and the Missouri Synod is my favorite Protestant denomination. I know you guys are also holding the line.

[hadrianswall]

True as this may be, I didn't actually write that.
I think my mother may have acidentally written it
using my account.

[hadrianswall]

Once again, someone else wrote this using my account.

[unspun]

Best way I ever heard this explained was by a wise old priest, who told me that it is perfectly true that "no man cometh to the Father save through" Christ, but that as mortals of limited knowledge we cannot know or understand the ways that Christ may manifest himself to men, even if they are not nominally Christians or are doubtful. I think the Catholics call it a "baptism of desire". I don't think we should reject the possibility out of hand.

Right on, AAM ma'am!

May we royal priests under our High Priest all be so wise -- and keep spreading the Good News, working toward the fulfillment of the Great Commission, a charge that so many have lived and died passing to us.

Let's keep speaking the truth in love and not put hindrances of any kind in the way of any kinds of babes in belief (and like we're grown up?). There is a terrible curse against who hinder Christ's little ones.

[unspun]

BTW, the previous comments are not at all about condoning homosexuality, or the abominable "ordination" of homosexual "elders" in any fellowship. Thank God that he offers deliverance to any so ensnared.

[Argus]

The RC church is ready to welcome all Protestants back. We could use them, to replace the liberal heretics we have too many of right now who should be chucked out.

[Argus]

Bump for that excellent list of links.

[AndrewC]

Isa 5:8 Woe unto them that join house to house, [that] lay field to field, till [there be] no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth!
Isa 5:9 In mine ears [said] the LORD of hosts, Of a truth many houses shall be desolate, [even] great and fair, without inhabitant.
Isa 5:10 Yea, ten acres of vineyard shall yield one bath, and the seed of an homer shall yield an ephah.
Isa 5:11 Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, [that] they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, [till] wine inflame them!
Isa 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands.
Isa 5:13 Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because [they have] no knowledge: and their honourable men [are] famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst.
Isa 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
Isa 5:15 And the mean man shall be brought down, and the mighty man shall be humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled:
Isa 5:16 But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.
Isa 5:17 Then shall the lambs feed after their manner, and the waste places of the fat ones shall strangers eat.
Isa 5:18 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
Isa 5:19 That say, Let him make speed, [and] hasten his work, that we may see [it]: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know [it]!
Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Isa 5:21 Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
Isa 5:22 Woe unto [them that are] mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
Isa 5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
Isa 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, [so] their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.



Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit.