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Why can't the Democrats seem to get it together? (GREAT blog post, must read!)
Asymmetrical Information ^ | August 3, 2003 | Jane Galt

Posted on 08/05/2003 11:03:20 AM PDT by Timesink

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To: MoJoWork_n
Sort of like using a very fine-tipped pen to write a carefully reasoned essay on the outer skin of a banana, then dropping that banana into the monkey cage at the zoo.

Ha ha! That was a great post, MoJo!

41 posted on 08/05/2003 12:39:03 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
Good question about why the Democrats would pursue socialism over a system that actually works. Encouraging dissatisfaction with the status quo is usually the only way to energize people to your stated cause, while your real agenda as a socialist is to wrest power from the haves and give it to the deserving of your choice.

They say rape isn't about sex. In the same way, socialism isn't about equality; it's about power.
42 posted on 08/05/2003 12:40:22 PM PDT by alwaysconservative (Tag, you're it!)
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To: Timesink
Whenever I hear anyone of a particular persuasion begin bloviating about how the reason that people of other political persuasions believe what they believe is that they are, as a group, much more [stupid/ greedy/ mean/ venal/ dishonest/ selfish/ hateful/ bigoted/ power-mad/ narrow-minded/ cruel/ careless/ hypocritical/ violent] than the blessed elite who share the views held by the speaker, I tune out.

Sounds like her honest attempt to describe democrats later in the same essay.

As McCarthy said of Marshall, "If he were merely stupid, probability dictates that at least some of his decisions would be beneficial to his country." (Treason, Ann Coulter)

In this case, stupidity is insufficient to explain the skulduggery of democrats.

43 posted on 08/05/2003 12:41:54 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: lowbridge
The Lovenstein IQ hoax is just one of many examples. To this day, people, mostly liberals, are still falling for that lie

If it's the one I am thinking about, I figured out it was a hoax pretty quickly. They had W with an IQ of 91 and Bill Clinton with an IQ of 182. Now what are the odds that Bill Clinton's IQ would be EXACTLY twice W's IQ?

Here's something interesting to ponder. There was an episode of Seinfeld where Jerry insists that he spend twice as much on Elaine's birthday as George does. They both get her cash. Guess how much each party gets her? That's right...George gets her 91 dollars, Jerry gets her 182 dollars.

I noticed this after the hoax had been exposed. I kind of felt like the Chaz Palmienteri character at the end of "The Usual Suspects".

44 posted on 08/05/2003 12:48:32 PM PDT by murdoog (i just changed my tag line)
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To: larlaw
Merely being identified as a Republican in many of these settings usually results in one of two responses: One, you are not REALLY a Republican but are saying so just to play devil's advocate for entertainment purpose (How can any educated, informed person ACTUALLY be so narrow-minded) or Two,you really ARE a Republican and are therefore selfish, greedy, and mean-spirited, a warmonger wanting to turn back the clock to segregation. (How can he possibly be a Republican? He seemed like such a nice guy at first...)

I notice the same problems online. In practically any online community you may visit that does not exist for an overtly political purpose, the political makeup of the community will almost invariably turn out to be the same sort of kneejerk default as at those pseudotrendy cocktail parties: "Democrats good, Republicans BAD! Oog, unga bunga!"

I have never been able to figure out why this is. Every time I ask, I generally get a response along the lines of "Well, Republicans actually work for a living and don't have time to play around online," which is an excuse that doesn't really cut it unless the community in question is made up mostly of college students or something. If anyone has a clue where the hell the conservatives are, I'd like to know. (And please don't say, "They're all on FR." I'm asking a serious question.)

45 posted on 08/05/2003 12:53:08 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Timesink
At Engineering colleges, getting our butts kicked, unlike those darn liberal arts people who seem to have a lot of time on their hands... ;)
46 posted on 08/05/2003 12:56:03 PM PDT by Ayn Rand wannabe (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: murdoog
I had a guy at work quote that to me. Another fellow & I ruined his whole day by telling him it's a hoax.

He was so disappointed I waited until he left before pointing out the irony of calling someone stupid and using a hoax to back it up.

47 posted on 08/05/2003 1:12:38 PM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Timesink
In practically any online community you may visit that does not exist for an overtly political purpose, the political makeup of the community will almost invariably turn out to be the same sort of kneejerk default as at those pseudotrendy cocktail parties: "Democrats good, Republicans BAD! Oog, unga bunga!"

Most of the online communities I frequent are oriented around automobiles, and I find that older or project car people tend to be overwhelmingly conservative/republican. Corvette people tend to be all over the place with conservatives, libertarians, and liberals.

I've spent a lot less time in other online communities, but generally find the more numerous and quieter, more serious and knowledgeable types to be conservative/republican. There are always some liberals, and they tend to be fewer and more "noisy" about their beliefs. Some are quite knowledgeable concerning the subject at hand, but they seem less so because of their knee-jerk pronouncements.

48 posted on 08/05/2003 1:15:22 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Ayn Rand wannabe; Gorjus; The Electrician
Yes, but perception defines reality. From their perception, it looks like we're the ones lying because we go against the facts that they see. We see the opposite. It's merely a point of view that our perception of reality changes. If they don't see the same facts we do, then how do they know they're lying? (or vice versa). The objective truth is hard indeed to find.
In general, you can use the test of time.

If you play back half-year-old, year-old, and two-year-old journalism you would expect to hear things that sound dated. The question is, how much of the dated-ness would reflect a Republican tint, and how much a Democratic slant? IMHO to ask the question is to answer it. Not because journalists are Democrats, but because (distinction but not a difference)

Democrats have no principle other than to go along and get along with journalists.

And journalists are anticonservative because that's the way to attract attention (and, therefore, to get paid by advertisers). They don't call it anticonservatism, of course--but that's the obvious implication of the rules of journalism (including pretense of objectivity).


49 posted on 08/05/2003 1:16:00 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
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To: Timesink
The left really does lie for a living.

How else can you explain their support for biligual education (meaning, teaching spanish kids in spanish) as being better for the children? Any honest person will know that someone with complete non-accented english is far more likely to succede in this country, and that immersion at the earlist possible age is the only way to accomplish that. Math can wait a few months.

How can you explain their support for obviously unconstitutional issues like most gun control laws? Even liberal harvard professors have written conclusive articles that support the 2nd amendment (forget author; Title is "The embarassing 2nd amendment"). The lie here is in insisting that the 2nd amendment only applies to the National Guard.

"I never had sex with that woman" (self explanitory). Bill Clinton's lies would take up volumes alone.

How can the environmentalists insist in Arizona that leaving forests alone is the best policy, when that results in forests destroyed for generations and hundreds of burned homes? It was a lie, and they've recently changed their policy from "hands off the forest" to accusing Geo. Bush of not thining the forest fast enough. They still don't acknowledge that harvesting trees in national forests by loggers that pay the government money is the same as paying people to do the same thing, but they just destroy the trees and don't sell them.

I don't have time to make the complete case. But the left is entirely supported by lies alone. The character of the right is that demonstrable facts are acknowledged, and the right gives up unsupportable arguments.

50 posted on 08/05/2003 1:21:21 PM PDT by narby (Terminate Gray Davis)
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To: narby
I don't have time to make the complete case. But the left is entirely supported by lies alone. The character of the right is that demonstrable facts are acknowledged, and the right gives up unsupportable arguments.
The character of the left is that it doesn't have to--because it has the PR tailwind behind it.

The whole idea of "public relations" is that we-the-people can be gulled into accepting anything.


51 posted on 08/05/2003 1:46:43 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
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To: Timesink
If anyone has a clue where the hell the conservatives are, I'd like to know. (And please don't say, "They're all on FR." I'm asking a serious question.)

This may not sound like a serious answer, but I've noticed that left-leaning boards pretty much shout down/ban anyone who disagrees with them. It's like that here as well sometimes if you post a libertarian POV. FR has definitely become a more shrill place since 9/11/2001.

52 posted on 08/05/2003 1:49:52 PM PDT by zeugma (Hate pop-up ads? Here's the fix: http://www.mozilla.org/ Now Version 1.4!)
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To: zeugma
This may not sound like a serious answer, but I've noticed that left-leaning boards pretty much shout down/ban anyone who disagrees with them. It's like that here as well sometimes if you post a libertarian POV. FR has definitely become a more shrill place since 9/11/2001.

Have you seen some of the contentious threads around here lately on the subject of IT outsourcing? You'll never see anything remotely similar on DU or any other hard-left sites. There are members here that are open avowed liberals, and we have a plethora of libertarians who have serious disagreements with certain Republican policies.

53 posted on 08/05/2003 2:06:44 PM PDT by jpl
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To: zeugma
This may not sound like a serious answer, but I've noticed that left-leaning boards pretty much shout down/ban anyone who disagrees with them.

Oh, I agree with you totally. The level of political discussion on those "apolitical" boards is always of the lowest common denominator, and generally consists of "Bush is Hitler"-level commentary, with the same groups of haters on each board gang-rushing anyone who dares to utter a conservative opinion.

54 posted on 08/05/2003 2:18:28 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Onelifetogive
Thanks for the edumakashun! I knew she was dead wrong on this point and knew that it was Laffer's curve but I did'nt remember what to curve looked like or how to explain the theory. I always thought the curve looke like a "J" for some reason.
55 posted on 08/05/2003 2:39:33 PM PDT by CPT Clay
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To: Timesink
Republicans ... are more aware of alternative viewpoints only because they haven't got a choice.

See! Liberal domination of the press is for our own good, even if we don't like it.
56 posted on 08/05/2003 4:42:19 PM PDT by polemikos (This Space for Rant)
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To: optimistically_conservative
I remember reading a Trotsky paper written in the early 1900's which proclaimed the failure and death of socialism.

Wow, how old are you?

35. I stumbled across a database of his writngs one day. You have me laughing though. nice homepage about wmd.
57 posted on 08/05/2003 4:47:49 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals ("they took 2 steps to the left, I took 3 steps to the right")
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To: Onelifetogive
I'm glad you read this before I did...it saved me alot of typing.
58 posted on 08/05/2003 4:59:01 PM PDT by gorush
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To: Timesink
Citing data showing a 50-year decline in Democratic affiliation by voters — especially in the middle class — Mr. Penn (Mark Penn, chief pollster for former President Bill Clinton) told the annual summer meeting of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council that Democrats now are the majority party only among voters in the lowest income ($20,000/yr. and less) group.

I would love to see a survey which breaks down Democrats versus Republicans by IQ, or even by education level. I just have this gut feeling that Democrats really are stupid, at least those who work and pay taxes, and (apparently) walk around with "kick me" signs taped to their backs. (The Democrat base, the parasites, know exactly what they are doing when they vote Democrat.)

59 posted on 08/05/2003 5:09:07 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Timesink
"This is why the Democrats at that luncheon were so shocked and hurt. Not because they are stupid, or venal, or arrogant."

The author makes a valid and interesting point in saying that the left is insulated. However, the members of the Democrat Party do indeed self-select for stupidity, venality, and arrogance. The Democrat Party and the Republican Party are ideologically based upon very different principles, and to equate them as equal but different is to reject the ideas of objective morality and absolute truth (nihilism).

60 posted on 08/05/2003 5:37:33 PM PDT by Desmond
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