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Woman Reportedly Slits Throat of Infant Daughter
Pioneer Press ^ | Aug. 04, 2003 | LISA DONOVAN

Posted on 08/04/2003 7:48:51 PM PDT by wallcrawlr

35-year-old woman reportedly slit the throat of her 6-month-old daughter in St. Paul this morning, killing the baby, police said. Mine An Ener, who had apparently been suffering from depression, confessed to the slaying inside a home in the Desnoyer Park neighborhood on St. Paul’s western edge, police said.

About 9 a.m., Ener reportedly finished feeding the infant in a relative’s house in the 500 block of Desnoyer Avenue. She carried the baby into the bathroom and, moments later, walked out and told a relative in the house: "I think I killed the baby," said St. Paul police Sgt. Bruce Wynkoop.

The relative called 911 immediately. As medics tried to assist the baby, police took Ener into custody.

The slaying occurred at the home of a relative where Ener and her daughter, who reside in Pennsylvania, had been visiting for an undetermined amount of time, police said.


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To: jlogajan
Here we go again ... the proud ignorant advertising such - "flat earth" - LOL! Such an old rudiculous fantasy propagated by evolutionists to bolster their absurd unsubstantiated ideas based on a godless creation.

Who invented the flat Earth?

First published in:

Creation Ex Nihilo 16(2):48–49

March–May 1994

Evolutionists often falsely accuse creationists of believing in a flat Earth. But neither history nor modern scholarship supports the claim that Christians ever widely believed that the Earth was flat. And the Bible doesn’t teach it.

Christianity has often been accused of opposing science and hindering technology throughout history by superstitious ignorance. However, a closer study of historical facts shows that this accusation is ill-founded.

For instance, Christianity has been held responsible for promoting the flat Earth theory. In his book The Discovers last decade, author Daniel Boorstin stated: ‘A Europe-wide phenomenon of scholarly amnesia … afflicted the continent from AD 300 to at least 1300. During those centuries Christian faith and dogma suppressed the useful image of the world that had been so slowly, so painfully, and so scrupulously drawn by ancient geographers’.

Yet it was only a handful of so-called intellectual scholars throughout the centuries, claiming to represent the Church, who held to a flat Earth. Most of these were ignored by the Church, yet somehow their writings made it into early history books as being the ‘official Christian viewpoint’.

The earliest of these flat-Earth promoters was the African Lactantius (AD 245–325), a professional rhetorician who converted to Christianity mid-life.

He rejected all the Greek philosophers, and in doing so also rejected a spherical Earth. His views were considered heresy by the Church Fathers and his work was ignored until the Renaissance (at which time some humanists revived his writings as a model of good Latin, and of course, his flat Earth view also was revived).

Next was sixth century Eastern Greek Christian, Cosmas Indicopleustes, who claimed the Earth was flat and lay beneath the heavens (consisting of a rectangular vaulted arch). His work also was soundly rejected by the Church Fathers, but liberal historians have usually claimed his view was typical of that of the Church Fathers.

US Library of Congress head, Daniel Boorstin (mentioned above), like historians before him, simply followed the pattern of others without checking the facts. In fact, most of the Church Fathers did not address the issue of the shape of the Earth, and those who did regarded it as ‘round’ or spherical.

In 1828, American writer Washington Irving (author of Rip Van Winkle) published a book entitled The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus. It was a mixture of fact and fiction, with Irving himself admitting he was ‘apt to indulge in the imagination’.

Its theme was the victory of a lone believer in a spherical Earth over a united front of Bible-quoting, superstitious ignoramuses, convinced the Earth was flat. In fact, the well-known argument and the Council of Salamanca was about the dubious distance between Europe and Japan which Columbus presented — it had nothing to do with the shape of the Earth.

In 1834, the anti-Christian Letronne falsely claimed that most of the Church Fathers, including Augustine, Ambrose and Basil, held to a flat Earth. His work has been repeatedly cited as ‘reputable’ ever since.

In the late nineteenth century, the writings of John William Draper and Andrew Dickson White were responsible for promoting the myth that the church taught a flat Earth. Both had Christian backgrounds, but rejected these early in life.

Englishman Draper convinced himself that with the downfall of the Roman Empire the ‘affairs of men fell into the hands of ignorant and infuriated ecclesiastics, parasites, eunuchs and slaves’ — these were the ‘Dark Ages’. Draper’s work, History of the Conflict between Religion and Science (1874), was directed particularly against the Roman Church, and was a best seller.

Meanwhile White (who founded Cornell University as the first explicitly secular university in the United States), published the two-volume scholarly work History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom, in 1896.

Both men incorrectly portrayed a continuing battle through the Christian era between the defenders of ignorance and the enlightened rationalists. In fact, not only did the church not promote the flat Earth, it is clear from such passages as Isaiah 40:22 that the Bible implies it is spherical. (Non-literal figures of speech such as the ‘four corners of the Earth’ are still used today.)

While many will have lost their faith through the writing of such men as Irving, Draper and White, it is gratifying to know that the following encyclopædias now present the correct account of the Columbus affair: The New Encyclopædia Britannica (1985), Colliers Encyclopædia (1984), The Encyclopedia Americana (1987) and The World Book for Children (1989).

There is still a long way to go before the average student will know that Christianity did not invent or promote the myth of the flat Earth.

Care to know WHAT THE BIBLE DOES SAY ABOUT THE SHAPE OF THE EARTH?

Let's see ... first verse that comes to mind is this:

Isaiah 40:22:

‘It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers ….’

Doesn't look "flat" to me. Too bad people don't read the Bible and believe what atheists say about the Bible.

61 posted on 08/05/2003 9:24:27 AM PDT by nmh
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To: jlogajan
Having been a generous partaker of hallucinagens long ago, I can personally attest to how they change and color one's consciousness. I am not saying that Prozac and Zoloft (or even alcohol) don't change people's moods or influence their emotions. My statement is that the brain or any other chemical or physical structure is not the cause of consciousness. There are many evidences to support this; one of which is out of body or near death experiences. It can also be experienced through various types of meditation.

There have been scientists who have understood the fact that the brain itself is not the source of consciousness, I'll have to look up some if you want names. Not that the brain doesn't filter stuff - it's like a computer. If your computer is malfunctioning, it makes everything hard or impossible to do. So problems in the brain make it hard to think straight or whatever. But the basis of depression is not chemical in origin. It's not that some brains are just lacking in Prozac or whatever the chemical name of it is.

If chemical imbalance were the cause of all emotional or mental turmoil and suffering, no one would be able to cure such illnesses without drugs, and all would become cured with them. It's a mechanistic solution, based on the materialistic vision that there is no soul, no atma, no eternal self. If you subscribe to that belief system, then you won't agree with me no matter what I say.
62 posted on 08/05/2003 9:27:32 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: jlogajan
The "insanity defense" has ample scientific basis and is generally recognized in law.

20th Century law perhaps .... it didn't cut any ice before then.

63 posted on 08/05/2003 9:27:40 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
Yes, at Villanova University, west of Philadelphia:

http://www.artsci.villanova.edu/arabislamic/

Center for Arab and Islamic Studies

Director, Dr. Mine Ener

Villanova University established the Center for Arab and Islamic Studies in 1983 in recognition of the critical importance of the Middle East. Arab and Islamic civilization has had a profound impact on the arts and sciences for centuries.

Today, international politics and economics are deeply affected by the dynamics in the Arab and Islamic world. Government officials, members of Congress, corporations, banks, the media and researchers stress the need for professionals who have the specialized knowledge essential for comprehending the geostrategic, socioeconomic, religious and intellectual dimensions of the region.

The Center's interdisciplinary program serves undergraduates who wish to emphasize Arab and Islamic studies in conjunction with a regular major. The course of studies enables students to add an Arab and Islamic dimension to their understanding of international issues and world cultures. The program also prepares students for work in government or business related to the region and for advanced graduate studies on the Arab world and Islam.

The Center organizes lectures, film series, conferences and outreach programs for the University and the Greater Philadelphia communities. The Center also hosts academic seminars by scholarly associations, including the American Council for the Study of Islamic Societies. "The Journal of South Asian and Middle Eastern Studies," published at the University, features articles by highly regarded analysts and scholars on issues pertinent to modern Islam.

64 posted on 08/05/2003 9:30:05 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Centurion2000
20th Century law perhaps .... it didn't cut any ice before then.

Back to the witch burnings, then.

65 posted on 08/05/2003 9:30:49 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: pram
My statement is that the brain or any other chemical or physical structure is not the cause of consciousness.

Appealing to a supernatural dimension does not get you closer to the point of being able to define the limits of insanity. If anything it adds a whole other dimension of uncertainty and ambiguity. So rather than increasing your ability to place blame on the individual, it dilutes it.

66 posted on 08/05/2003 9:34:53 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: nmh
‘It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers ….’

Doesn't look "flat" to me. Too bad people don't read the Bible and believe what atheists say about the Bible.

A circle is flat. A sphere has the third dimension.

The Catholic Church has officially accepted the possibility of evolution. They certainly don't teach a flat earth theory.

That has nothing to do with the fact that there are indeed Christians who believe in creationism and the flat earth. If the shoe fits.

67 posted on 08/05/2003 9:39:31 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: SarahW
She was depressed because parturition affected the way her neurons fire. It could have been treated.

But being depressed didn't maker her a homicidal maniac. Depression doesn't do that, or we would be awash in blood. Using depression to defend homicidal maniacs is a non-sequitor.

68 posted on 08/05/2003 9:44:49 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: jlogajan
It seems that you and I have diametrically opposed views of reality. You apparently see only a mechanistic world and people who are meat machines. It's interesting that many scientists today are coming to the conclusion that there is another energy besides matter (by matter I also include time and energy), which in the terminology of the Vedas, is called paraprakriti. The Vedas describe two distinct energies - prakriti - which is matter, unconscious, "dead" if you will. Prakriti includes all elements that are perceivable, including time, space, emergies that are measureable, matter. Paraprakriti is spirit, for want of a better English word. The individual soul, or atma is para (which means superior) prakriti, and God is the Supreme paraprakriti, also called Paramatma - the Supreme Soul.
And I find it very interesting that some scientists are coming to the conclusion that the mechanistic view of the universe can't explain it all. That mechanical world view came into popularity in the 19th century and has many failings. Not only that, but the desolation and meaningless it causes are a source of much of the world's miseries and evil philosophies such as Communism, socialism, fascism, and most Utopianism.

(There were some religious based Utopians but most of them were not consistent with what I would term transcendent worldviews.)
69 posted on 08/05/2003 9:54:21 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: jlogajan
"Back to the witch burnings, then. "

For people who kill their children, I'll request that my tax dollars be used to buy the matches.
70 posted on 08/05/2003 9:54:36 AM PDT by honeygrl ("If you can't be kind, at least be vague." - Judith Manners)
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To: SarahW
This wasn't baby blues, it was a pathologic chemical imbalance that could have been corrected with medicine

You can't be serious.

71 posted on 08/05/2003 9:57:17 AM PDT by riri
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To: John H K
Once you head down the primrose path of "God wouldn't...." you open yourself up to being questioned about whether God would create Hurricane Andrew, cancer in 3 year old children, violent paranoid Schizophrenia in intelligent, gentle 22 year olds, etc. etc.

But blaming God for all those things hardly makes an reasonable argument either. If you are going to suppose the existence of a Judeo-Christian God, then you logically have to accept the Judeo-Christian definition of God. That definition precludes laying every tragedy at the feet of God.

Especially in cases like this, where some human action is undeniably present.

72 posted on 08/05/2003 9:58:04 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: jlogajan
That has nothing to do with the fact that there are indeed Christians who believe in creationism and the flat earth. If the shoe fits.

Lumping believing in creation with believing in a flat earth now?

"On the bright side, self-esteem isn't a problem."

73 posted on 08/05/2003 10:00:41 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Lijahsbubbe
"Too many parents killing their children lately. From drownings, to leaving them in cars, to stabbings. What the heck."

There are too many MOTHERS killing their children. It is almost becoming an epidemic. It is not surprising, though, what with the abortion culture so entrenched in much of American life. Once the feminists hoodwinked the public that the children they were carrying in their wombs were just globs of tissue, and not any form of life, the stage was set for infanticide. And that is where we now find ourselves.
74 posted on 08/05/2003 10:03:47 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: hopespringseternal
Post-partum depression can include psychosis, and it can result to harm to self or others. It does sometimes lead to preventable violence...o injury or death of the mothers and children.

If you didn't know that, you should.

This woman may or may not have had an underlying mental illness. She may only have developed symptoms with parturition.

The brain is physically changed. It can be treated.

Using it to "defend" murder is not the same thing as saying that post-partum mental illness should be cared about. If you care about this murder you should care about whether she had post-partum depression.

Then maybe you might be able to step in and save someone you know or love. It can happen to any mother.

Frankly, I think that state of mind can be a mitigating factor in prosecution of crimes; in the court system it is as a matter of law. Disordered and irrational thinking that a killer has no insight to, is not as heinous a murder as a cold-blooded decision to punish a mate, or collect insurance money, or keep a boyfriend that doesn't want children.

But that's not really the point I'm making.
I simply want people to know this happens and to prevent tragedy by recogizing it and taking action before it is too late.

75 posted on 08/05/2003 10:04:32 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: HiTech RedNeck
In a universe of robots, who cares what is monstrous or cruel?

The robots do.

76 posted on 08/05/2003 10:08:52 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: honeygrl; jlogajan
"Back to the witch burnings, then. "

Straw man argument, based on Social Darwinism. In other words, jlog is saying that history is a grand march of progress from the primitive to the advanced, and therefore anything from the past is primitive and ignorant, the present is partly illumined due to current scientific knowledge, and if we keep going in the same direction (fudning scientific research will plenty tax dollars of course), we will arrive at a glowing wise future. Kind of like the stupid gradeschool text books I've seen in the 80's - pictures of Mommy in a spacesuit cooking in a space kitchen, just pushing buttons. A materialistic Utopia. A fantasy.

The doctrine of Social Darwinism - which is based on a soulless, meaningless, purposeless universe, with no God in control, everything being accidental - still sees a purpose - that of its own false doctrines implemented, and its "march" of scientific enlightenment and perfection unhampered by those of us who see the universe in a different light. Note that Social Darwinism is the basis of Communism, socialism, and the other evil philosophies and systems mentioned above.

77 posted on 08/05/2003 10:10:07 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: SarahW
The fact of the matter is you really don't know what lead to this women murdering her baby.
78 posted on 08/05/2003 10:18:11 AM PDT by ShandaLear
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To: Z in Oregon
Welcome to Hell.

Why do you think I am already making plans to leave the country? Too dang many liberals, who will excuse this behavior.

79 posted on 08/05/2003 10:18:34 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: SarahW
Post-partum depression can include psychosis, and it can result to harm to self or others. It does sometimes lead to preventable violence...o injury or death of the mothers and children.

Psychosis and depression are two entirely separate conditions. This what exhaustively dealt with during the aftermath of Adrea Yate's murders, and post-partum depression is simply not violent. Various dishonest feminists just make that claim.

Using it to "defend" murder is not the same thing as saying that post-partum mental illness should be cared about. If you care about this murder you should care about whether she had post-partum depression.

That is wrong. Post-partum depression is not in itself violent.

Then maybe you might be able to step in and save someone you know or love. It can happen to any mother.

Oh, yes, every mother is a potential killer. /sarcasm

Frankly, I think that state of mind can be a mitigating factor in prosecution of crimes; in the court system it is as a matter of law. Disordered and irrational thinking that a killer has no insight to, is not as heinous a murder as a cold-blooded decision to punish a mate, or collect insurance money, or keep a boyfriend that doesn't want children.

Sure, state of mind is a factor because we are always looking for ways to let a murderer walk. Society hates children, so mudering moms get a pass on whatever a dishonest lawyer and a paid feminist "expert witness" can make up on the fly. When that works to get the murdering skank off, it becomes worth repeating and conventional wisdom.

But that doesn't change the fact that it is a lie. It is just a lie that works for us.

80 posted on 08/05/2003 10:18:49 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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