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To: GrandMoM
I fight it with everything I had and take it to the highest court there is.

On what basis? You are not their guardian, nor even the parents guardian. Any law purporting to grant you the right would be abusive to common-law, and merely a wrong-headed generation of a law to enforce a generally good idea.

Except in extreme cases (ones which would cause consideration of guardianship), it is the parents full right and responsibility to determine the extent to which you may be involved. They are responsible for that judgement. With all due respect, I think involving the courts in such is, more than anything, being pissy.

I would hope that parents - even those that don't get along with their parents - give the chance for the bonds to grow between grandchildren and grandparents (for a multitude of reasons), but it is certainly not the place for the government to intervene between the parent and their child.

41 posted on 08/04/2003 2:51:38 PM PDT by lepton
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To: lepton
....I simply don't care if you or whoever does or does not think it would be pissy for courts to intervene, if my grandchildrens parents took away my visiting priveleges, which they wouldn't because we have a wonderful relationship , I wouldn't be a good grandparent if I didn't fight for the right to have them. I would fight for them until my last breath.

....End of debate!

44 posted on 08/04/2003 3:13:31 PM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: lepton
I agree with you that state intervention to guarantee a "right" of visitation to grandparents is wrong.

At the same time, and I think this is more to the book's point, I really have to question the wisdom of parents who Won't Let Their Kids See Their Grandparents. Unless there is some really good reason for going to this extreme (i.e. the grandparent in question is him/herself abusive, etc.), it seems unwise. In the case described in the article it's difficult to think of a good reason from what is told for why the mother should allow no contact with the grandmother whatsoever. I suspect that in many such cases there is an element of "revenge" or "getting even with" a former spouse which drives a divorced parent to cut off grandparents. Seems to me that the lesson to be drawn from a book like this is not that laws are required, but simply that parents really ought to think twice before taking that step.

45 posted on 08/04/2003 3:16:47 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: lepton
I'm on your side.

When my husband divorced his first wife, HIS parents practically took "custody" of his two daughters, 16 and 18. She told them that they didn't have to come to OUR house if they didn't want to or if they didn't like me, that they could go to HER house and still see their daddy.

We played along for a while, seeing his children only at his parents' house; when we realized that it was damaging our relationship with his children, we stopped playing the game and giving his parents that power over us and our relationship with them.

We just dropped out; eventually the kids came to us on OUR terms and now we have a wonderful relationship with his girls and their children, much to the dismay of HIS parents.

I know one thing: I'd NEVER take the side of my grandchildren over our children. EVER.
73 posted on 08/04/2003 4:40:22 PM PDT by Howlin
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