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1 posted on 08/03/2003 2:37:03 AM PDT by sarcasm
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2 posted on 08/03/2003 2:37:38 AM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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How would you feel having your X ray read by some indian or russian,deciding if you have cancer or heart blockage?

''Even the medical sector is being affected because a lot of radiology is being read overseas,'' said Irwin Kellner, a professor of economics at Hofstra University in New York. ''They're transmitted back and forth on the Internet.''
3 posted on 08/03/2003 3:45:35 AM PDT by wiseone
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I firmly believe that this is going to be a major election issue, and we had best get to work on fixing the problem!
4 posted on 08/03/2003 3:51:58 AM PDT by neutrino (Oderint dum metuant: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us.)
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In the long run, more efficient companies mean more prosperity for Americans, economists say.

This has nothing to do with legal American workers. It means the stockbrokers and the bankers will get more money, that's all.

6 posted on 08/03/2003 4:05:56 AM PDT by raybbr
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If you are a paper-pusher, you better learn some other skills fast. White collar jobs are disappearing from corporations very quickly as software applications handle just about everything from payroll to parts ordering.

The change in my company over the past 15 years has been phenomenal. When I started there, my branch office had a half dozen "admin" staff, dispatchers, parts clerks, three managers (one for sales, one for admin and one for technical) and three supervisors (one for sales and two for technical).

Today, there are only two of those people left. The sales manager and myself (I'm the tech manager). Technicians are self-dispatched as service calls come in over the web and page out. Billing is mostly automated. I enter the technicians expenses into a software program and checks are automatically cut for them and mailed out. Parts and supplies are automatically replenished and shipped to the technicians directly - all I do is review the orders on-screen. About a hundred other innovations I won't even bother to go into.

But our total staffing continues to decrease even as our revenues and gross margin increases year after year. Bascially the way it is in my company, if you aren't in the field selling or out in the field turning a screwdriver, your job is in jeopardy. Even I'm not taking my management job for granted. I've already gotten certified on Microsoft systems and keep myself up to date technically just in case it is decided that branch managers are no longer needed.

10 posted on 08/03/2003 5:03:04 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (Back in boot camp! 239.6 (-60.4))
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Labor is ''a mouse click away, more skilled and at one-fifth of the cost,'' said Rudy Puryear, a partner with Bain & Co. in Chicago, who advises clients on such off-shoring issues. ''There's been an acceleration of that over the last three or four years.''

Well, there you have it. The offshoring industry's new mantra to spin their selling-out of Americans. Americans are too stupid to hold technical jobs.

19 posted on 08/03/2003 5:24:59 AM PDT by Doohickey
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Improvements in technology mean that software code or tax forms can be written or processed in India or elsewhere -- at a substantial savings.

I can't even begin to describe what a phenomenally bad idea the outsourcing of tax return preparation to India is. There aren't many kinds of financial information that are more confidential and/or sensitive than that needed to prepare even a relatively simple return. And we've decided to ship this job off to people working half way around the world. It's a completely idiotic business decision. Have we lost our common sense?

22 posted on 08/03/2003 5:36:50 AM PDT by independentmind
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Somehow or another, we'll create jobs that can't be exported overseas.''

Only through protectionist legislation, This has been tried before. It always leads to even worse long-term problems.

27 posted on 08/03/2003 5:56:03 AM PDT by pabianice
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>''The bulk of their costs is people,'' said Donald Hicks, a professor of political economy at the University of Texas at Dallas. ''Anything that reduces people-related costs is a boon to the bottom line.''

This never seems to include CEO and executive pay. People who are, in their view, the only employees who cannot be outsourced and replaced.

36 posted on 08/03/2003 6:13:51 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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S, The highly placed sycophants {bootlickers/Igors/asskissers} now know how top management feels about them. Another sector awakened. Peace and love, George.
38 posted on 08/03/2003 6:15:39 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park (FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!)
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''Economies like India have MBAs from great universities,'' he added. ''They are English-speaking and fully loaded cost $8,000 to $12,000 a year.''

I'm wondering how they pay for an $80,000+ education on $12K a year...

44 posted on 08/03/2003 6:32:06 AM PDT by LouD (Genuine GOP Vigilante - Accept no substitutes!)
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The American consumer cannot be much of a consumer if unemployed. Lower prices of goods cannot be low enough if you are penniless.

To all who say American workers are not good enough workers to compete, I tell you, "It's a lie. Get out of my wonderful country!"

Take your anti-American sentiment to the countries you believe hold the keys to your happiness and prosperity. Don't come back.

51 posted on 08/03/2003 6:48:30 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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Filling in for Willie G?
52 posted on 08/03/2003 6:48:34 AM PDT by Consort
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''a mouse click away, more skilled and at one-fifth of the cost,''

Right on two counts out of three. But I've seen code written by the Ten Little Indians that was so garbled and inefficient it had to be completely reworked, at considerable expense to the company.

It reminds me of a guy who used to favor going to huge buffets for lunch. We'd always complain that the food was crap. "Sure," he agreed, "but it's CHEAP."

54 posted on 08/03/2003 7:03:39 AM PDT by IronJack
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There is something going on here that the author clearly doesn't get and, I'm afraid, most posters don't either.

In the 1800s, a "managerial hierarchy" developed in corporations in which professional managers (i.e., "white collar" workers) added value by being transmitters of information. This was at a time when large numbers of workers were either illiterate or uneducated, and needed to have critical information about the production processes digested, then parceled out to them depending on their task.

MANAGERS WERE CONDUITS OF INFORMATION. That was their primary job in "management."

But with the advent of computers, and with a super-highly educated workforce (i.e., virtually everyone with a high school degree and 25% of the workforce college educated), these managers no longer added value when a "line" employee could obtain critical information by going on his company's computer and getting it himself, usually hours or days before he got a response from his boss.

Most companies could not explain this phenomenon. They knew it was occuring, and they knew managers were no longer "profitable," but could not specifically say why. In the 1990s, we saw the first big wave of these managerial layoffs. There will be more, because managers (not all, but many) HAVE BECOME BOTTLENECKS TO INFORMATION TRANSMISSION WITHIN A CORPORATION.

Now, as for the Indian x-ray readers, there is likely some of that going on, but I can tell you that the trend is the other direction---hiring lower cost DOMESTIC workers (i.e., "nurse practitioners" and "lab techs") to do in-house work in doctors' offices instead of adding expensive doctors. These are good paying jobs that don't carry the risk of malpractice nor the burden of years' of medical college debt.

55 posted on 08/03/2003 7:13:40 AM PDT by LS
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71 posted on 08/03/2003 7:32:04 AM PDT by DeFault User
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This issue is the GOP's Achilles Heel, for two reasons...

1. No matter what the GOP does, it is easily demogogued by the Democrats, who have no idea what to do about it either and even if they did, still wouldn't because it goes against their own voter base.

2. The GOP could partially address it by staunching the flood of illegal immigration, but won't because they are afraid of offending the "Hispanic Vote".

Illegal immigration is soaking up millions of jobs at the lower end of the spectrum, is depressing wages in the lower and lower-middle end of the wage spectrum, removes a needed employment source for temporarily unemployed workers, is a cash drain on the collection of legal taxes, is a cash drain in the services system (especially medical and social services), is toxic to the rule of law, and is a horrendous balance-of-payments problem as much of the cash is sent overseas for work performed here.

Item 2 is also perfect for the Dems to demogogue. They can promise all sorts of free stuff to voters, both legal and illegal, while simultaneously beating the GOP to death for their heard-heartedness.

The only losers are Americans who want to mind their own business, control their own destiny, and work an honest job.

86 posted on 08/03/2003 8:42:05 AM PDT by Gritty
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Diversify You Labor Portfolio and Reduce Your Risk of Loss

Invest some of your part-time, (NOT your money), in a

Virtual Venture Labor Mutual Fund

It is time to strengthen the National New Business Incubator located on the internet with a Tax and Regulation Free Economic Enterprise Zone. The Zone will provide employment opportunities to any positively motivated dislocated worker and invest existing public transfer payments, underutilized public resources, technology, and part-time professional services in new business initiatives. The new businesses operate in the Zone to create new wealth and new jobs here in America. Member corporations and individuals would receive tax benefits for their participation, investments and contributions. A tax free financial market could be established in the Zone to raise investment capital.

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150 posted on 08/03/2003 3:14:08 PM PDT by MtnMover
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In the long run, more efficient companies mean more prosperity for Americans, economists say.

How is that, exactly?

'First, US economic activity needs to pick up substantially, said Kellner.''We will manage not only to muddle through but to create jobs to add to our overall well-being,'' said Kellner. ''I have faith in the system. Somehow or another, we'll create jobs that can't be exported overseas.''

And what jobs would those people.

153 posted on 08/03/2003 3:22:06 PM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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177 posted on 08/03/2003 10:10:59 PM PDT by VOA
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