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PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN - THE BETRAYAL IS NOW COMPLETE [BARF ALERT - ANTI-GOP PROPAGANDA]
NewsWithViews.com ^ | May 9, 2003 | By David Brownlow

Posted on 08/02/2003 10:39:40 PM PDT by Uncle Bill

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To: Luis Gonzalez
Did you bother reading what she's been saying about me over at LP?

That you're a blustering liar and a fraud? Heck, people know that over here too, and we can all see that you don't care.

I am not "engaging" Merc...I am responding to her in kind.

You're not engaging her because she'd open you up. It ain't hard, and she's that good... and you know it.


761 posted on 08/06/2003 11:46:34 PM PDT by Sabertooth (Dump Davis)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
(A) the person performing the abortion deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a head- first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother for the purpose of performing an overt act that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus; and

Not nearly enough. Sophistry. Legalese. And pontificating.

This is not what we sent them there to do. If you can't see it than you're not paying attention. We're talking about inches defining life.

On the plus side, the Supremes have to deal with viability in order to render a decision in the future.

762 posted on 08/06/2003 11:49:57 PM PDT by nunya bidness (sic utere tuo ut alienum non laedas)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
And you get to make the choice for her?

Do you mean her as defined as the unborn or the mother? Does the child get a vote in your world?

It's simple: let the unborn have rights just as you and I and I'll be happy.

Consider your support of people under the auspices of "Does the Constition Follow the Flag." And apply it to the unborn.

763 posted on 08/06/2003 11:54:30 PM PDT by nunya bidness (sic utere tuo ut alienum non laedas)
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To: Mo1
"I guess her idiot mom never heard of adoption?"

That was exactly what her dad wanted her to do actually. Stay with him until the baby was born and then maybe a family member could adopt it. He even said he would adopt the baby if he had to. Heck, I would've even considered adopting it at that point just to prevent the abortion even though we scrape by with only 2 kids. The mother wouldn't have that though. She didn't want her daughter having a baby period and wouldn't allow her to return home until the abortion was completed. It was a sad situation all around but she didn't have as many options as we all would've liked her to have. The courts just wouldn't let her come live with any of the out of state family and it honestly was pure hell for her living with her dad. Her dad is my brother in law and I do like him for the most part, but he has been somewhat lacking in being a good father to the two children from the previous marraige. He tried hard at first, but the mother made it so hard to have any time with them that he gave up once they were teens. At that point he really didn't have any room in his home for them anyway. The mom had also beaten into their heads their whole life that their dad didn't want them and didn't love them so that they were very angry with him by their teen years and felt like an outsider when they stayed with him. I really hope God shows some mercy in the child's tough decision and no mercy in the mothers stand on it. I'm not sure the teen had a real understanding of what she was doing (though she did protest and fight as best as she could in her situation) but the mother knew exactly what she was pushing her daughter to do.
764 posted on 08/07/2003 12:00:01 AM PDT by honeygrl (I reserve the right to take any statement and copy it out of context.)
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To: Sabertooth
And the beat goes on. Accepting self gratification being what it is, this guy should be leading a very fulfilled life.
765 posted on 08/07/2003 12:01:21 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I might not be legion, but then I'm not ashamed of what I say enough to post under different names.)
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To: nunya bidness
so it's all or nothing? Can't you accept it as a step in the right direction and pray and work for the next step to come along soon?
766 posted on 08/07/2003 12:05:19 AM PDT by honeygrl (I reserve the right to take any statement and copy it out of context.)
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To: honeygrl
It sounds like a sad story all around.
767 posted on 08/07/2003 12:15:11 AM PDT by Mo1 (I have nothing to add .. just want to see if I make the cut and paste ;0))
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To: omegatoo
I am on the verge of agreeing with you on this one, but not quite

I liked your other thoughts in this post, but I want to focus on this quote above.

I'll concede it's not a slam dunk, but I'm going off my experience in Los Angless, which includes talking about PBA with manty Hollywood-types. Not a one of them can defend it, when we get down to the nitty gritty.

The only way the conservative position can lose, in my experience, is when you don't get down to the nitty gritty.

Hollywood actresses these days are increasingly having their babies at eight months via C-section, by choice, so that they won't put on those last 15 to 20 pounds. PBAs kill babies at even later stages than this. Everyone understands that PBA is infanticide, when they're confronted with the truth. Everyone.

I've gotta believe if that's true here, it's true everywhere.

This is one of those questions we won't be able to answer unless we attempt the action. Incrementalism is fine, at times, but there are also times to strike boldly. It's unwise to overrely on one tactic or the other.


768 posted on 08/07/2003 12:19:11 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Dump Davis)
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To: Mo1
"It sounds like a sad story all around. "

Yep, and also a perfect example of why so many kids in the US are so screwed up nowadays.
769 posted on 08/07/2003 12:19:43 AM PDT by honeygrl (I reserve the right to take any statement and copy it out of context.)
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To: honeygrl
o it's all or nothing? Can't you accept it as a step in the right direction and pray and work for the next step to come along soon?

It's all or northing. Rember that't it'as game.

770 posted on 08/07/2003 12:26:24 AM PDT by nunya bidness (sic utere tuo ut alienum non laedas)
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To: honeygrl
"Can't you accept it as a step in the right direction and pray and work for the next step to come along soon?"

Short answer for them is no. They don't have the political ability to enact change but they do have the ability to complain about those who do. Seems fairly apparent that they are doing the only thing within their power to do...complain.

771 posted on 08/07/2003 12:28:15 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Sabertooth
But by all means, go ahead and weed through my thousands of posts, and let's see how close to 99% bashing you really get. I'm just guessing, but I'd say it's closer to 60% bashing, maybe 70%.

Thanks, but I'll leave those calculations to the (ahem) sabermetricians. (Does Bill James pay you royalties?)

My 99.857% figure was not an estimate of your slugging percentage, but of the percentage of FR threads excluded by your test. The impersonal pronoun was also used for that reason. My point was that the test you proposed to measure your criticism percentage was not only a cherry-pick, but excluded 99% of the orchard.

772 posted on 08/07/2003 12:33:12 AM PDT by William Wallace
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To: William Wallace
I always enjoy the Bush bashers who preface their current complaints by saying how much they admire him as a man and believe that he's really good at heart...then go on to accuse him of the wildest things. Some of them do this constantly.

I wish they could at least be honest and admit they dislike the man and always will instead of trying to pretend their are being reasonable.

773 posted on 08/07/2003 12:39:42 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: DeSoto
I missed that post the first time around, thanks for linking it, old FRiend. Excellent. Yours wasn't too shabby either. :-)

How conservative a bill is is directly proportional to the weakest vote needed to pass it, and how much pork had to be paid to get that vote.

Very well put. This is the crux of the political debate, which JimRob fully understands and the sages in the League of Undistinguished Ruffians do not.

774 posted on 08/07/2003 1:02:15 AM PDT by William Wallace
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To: Victoria Delsoul
I've always believed that abortion is an act of pure selfishness and lack of love, especially for the most defenseless… the ones who can't cry out and ask for help.

Exactly right, Victoria. It's the utter helplessness and defenseless of the victims that makes abortion such an unspeakably depraved demonic act. These helpless innocents are dismembered and mutilated inside their mothers wombs and they cannot even cry out.

775 posted on 08/07/2003 1:23:57 AM PDT by William Wallace
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To: Luis Gonzalez; DeSoto
I was just slumming over at LostPriviledges.com

Just to be sure everyone understands what's happening:

Here we are sitting in front of our computers hurriedly typing out random thoughts/comments/potshots at a 3-month-old article and/or one another's comments.

Meanwhile, over at the other place, they sit in front of their computers madly typing out comments ridiculing our comments to the article/each other's comments.

To complicate matters, some of the people from over there are over "here" and some of us are going back and forth from "here" to "there" and back, even though in fact we're all just sitting in front of our computers neither "here" nor "there." (In more ways than one.)

Now in an unprecented act of cross-forum communication, Luis Gonzalez is taking this surreal situation to the next logical level by lobbing a flame at someone over "there" who presumably is responding in kind over "there" to your flame "here."

Good Lord man! I hope you have the good sense NEVER to pull a stunt like this again! It's way too risky posting messages from one forum to another. . . especially during an ion storm!

You explain it to him, DeSoto. . . DeSoto? Is that you? Wow, since when have you had that goatee?

Oh oh, someone just tried to assassinate Jim. Oh well, at least we all now get to move up in rank.

Oh no, I'm beginning to see it!

The 'gift' The 'gift'

Curse you LUIS! Get us outta here!

776 posted on 08/07/2003 2:15:25 AM PDT by William Wallace
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To: William Wallace
Thank you for bumping my rant! ( :
777 posted on 08/07/2003 2:43:12 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Sabertooth
I maintain: After the passage of this bill, there will be no form of legal partial birth abortion.

You are forced to concur: As is currently and generally practiced, that's true (aside from "life of the mother" exceptions)...

I knew you would not be able to back up your imaginings with any concrete evidence. It surprised me that Sabertooth would post such dark hypotheticals, but the Sabertooth I used to know shines through in the admission. An honest and courageous man, a moral and truly free one, not swayed or enticed by love of man but rather eager to please his heavenly Father, can admit when he is wrong.

You go on to say: If we accept that this legislation is an incremental step, then there are legitimate questions that need to be asked in order to determine where it might fall short, and thus, where the next incremental step might be taken.

I agree that moral citizens of a free Republic ought to keep very close tabs on their elected officials, and follow closely all proposed legislation. I disagree, however, with your assessment that your repeated insinuations - after mounds of answers by links, facts, evidence, and quotes - are 'legitimate.'

I think it is harpish, intentionally and overtly divisive (rather than innocent postulation), originates in a complaining spirit, and displays either 1)irrationality/idiocy, or 2) intentional malice against George W. Bush/Republicans/Free Republic.

I know you are not an idiot. It looks more and more like you have become completely irrational.

What I can't figure out, Saber, is this: are you changed by hatred for FR, or by hatred of the Republican party? If the later, that comes as a surprise to me, I didn't notice when you abandoned reason for madness (but I don't follow any particular people around this or any other forum, either). If the former, get over yourself.




Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.
James 3:13-18

778 posted on 08/07/2003 3:30:45 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Sabertooth
"That you're a blustering liar and a fraud?"

No Toothy...that's YOUR crowd, isn't it?

779 posted on 08/07/2003 5:44:20 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Free evil moderator!!!)
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To: Sabertooth
"You're not engaging her because she'd open you up."

Toothy, I engaged Merc plenty in this forum, but keep on smoking that aquarium seaweed.

780 posted on 08/07/2003 5:56:40 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Free evil moderator!!!)
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